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Old 28th Jul 2011, 01:04
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The only thing that puzzles me is that the HUMS was damaged from sea water. Correct me if I'm wrong, aren't they supposed to water proof to a degree?
No - why would it be? HUMS cards are meant to be downloaded from dry, serviceable aircraft. It's a maintenance 'tool.'

JW, I think you are being a bit harsh. Interim reports always look similar to this. They simply state a few established facts and the detailed analysis comes later. Sometimes, if there is compelling evidence, they may make some interim recommendations.
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Old 28th Jul 2011, 01:10
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Good Morning 212man

Oh I know I'm being somewhat harsh on the 'ol CAD, too much time spent in the area perhaps seeing how these prats operate firsthand. Gets frustrating after a while though when good intel is conveniently overlooked/hidden.

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btw, hope the recruiting exercise proves successful.....cheers!
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Quiz

From the HKCAD's interim report:
Whilst in autorotation, he commanded the first officer to shut down both engines in accordance with the emergency procedures and the first officer carried out the commands accordingly.
Q: How many times did the captain command the F/O before the F/O took such action ?
Bottle of champagne for the first correct answer.
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Old 29th Jul 2011, 07:30
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Not very conclusive I'd say. The only thing that puzzles me is that the HUMS was damaged from sea water. Correct me if I'm wrong, aren't they supposed to water proof to a degree?
I completly agree with you! The aircraft was recovered very soon, I think it's not possible that the HUMS card was damaged during the period the helicopter staied in the water.
It could be possible that the brackish air damaged the card??
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Old 29th Jul 2011, 07:38
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HUMS Cards

The HUMS cards (or to give them the posh name "data transfer device") are just ordinary PCMCIA cards slotted into a "cockpit display unit" which really a basic PCMCIA slot. Only real protection they have is the spring loaded cover over them. Not sure how waterproof that would be.
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Old 2nd Aug 2011, 08:13
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HUMS card

Yes, of course, but the corrosion is so quick??

For example, my wife wash a pen drive with my jeas in the washing machine (40 min at 30°C, delicate !).
she laid it and it works perfetly!

So I think that the corrosin of the HUMS card it's not due to the water crash...
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Old 2nd Aug 2011, 09:21
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Even gold contacts corrode in the HK "air", let alone in sea water! Only place I've see brass fittings turn purple, due to air pollution.
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My 28 years old Nintendo (that lives near my TV in Hong Kong) still works like a charm...
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Old 8th Sep 2011, 08:27
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Sept 6, 2011
MACAU DAILY TIMES - Sky Shuttle fleet grounded
With only one helicopter available Sky Shuttle had to cut its flights between Hong Kong and Macau to one every hour instead of two and suspend its services between the MSAR and Shenzhen, South China Morning Post (SCMP) reported.
Sept 8, 2011
MACAU DAILY TIMES - Sky Shuttle back to full service today
“Sky Shuttle Helicopters has reduced the number of daily services operated on a temporary basis, but has not suspended any of its routes,” AW told MDTimes. MDTimes tried to clarify this issue with Sky Shuttle but received no reply before the closing of this edition.
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Update on Hong Kong Accident

I can't find the thread on AW139 accident (it was merged with this one?)

http://www.cad.gov.hk/reports/Accide...Nov%202011.pdf

a major portion of a tail rotor blade, designated as White Blade, was found broken off from the tail rotor
The scope of work examined by QinetiQ focused on the tail rotor hub, the remained portion of the White Blade, the Blue Blade, Yellow Blade and the fractured part of the vertical tail section
After a detailed review of the QinetiQ Report, CAD noted that the examined samples of the Blue Blade, Yellow Blade and the remained portion of the White Blade indicates that these blades did not comply fully with AgustaWestland’s specifications. Manufacturing discrepancies such as undersize and high level of
porosity of the upper and lower straps of the blade samples were identified.
Recommendation 2011-3:
Ente Nazionale per l'Aviazione Civile, jointly with AgustaWestland, to review the manufacturing process of the AW139 tail rotor blades to determine the causes of the
discrepancies identified in the QinetiQ Report and evaluate their effects.
Recommendation 2011-4:
European Aviation Safety Agency to require AgustaWestland to perform static, fatigue, dynamic and aerodynamic tests and analyses on AW139 tail rotor blades so as to minimise the possibilities of tail rotor blade failure which could have been caused by one or the combination of these effects.
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They have called in the experts from Farnborough.

Shell are on the case though.
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Old 19th Nov 2011, 12:08
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high level of
porosity of the upper and lower straps of the blade samples were identified
I feel vindicated with my stance on this issue.
I hope the guys from Farnborough are familiar with the issue of porosity (micro-voiding).

SM if you have a contact there, I'd like to communicate with them. Pls send a PM.

Regards

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Old 24th Nov 2011, 19:10
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No, but try the AAIB via their website.
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Old 20th Dec 2013, 02:46
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Apologies for resurrecting an old thread. Was there a final finding?
Also, does anyone here know someone in the management at Sky Shuttle? Thanks.
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