Parents banned from flying their child into schooldance
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I landed a jet Ranger in a school (In Aus) just 2-3 days ago.
The year 8 kids then received a talk on helicopters and each child had their picture taken in the front seat. The looks on their faces was gold. Wasn't that hard.
The UK is OTT on health on safety as far as I remember in my years working there.
The year 8 kids then received a talk on helicopters and each child had their picture taken in the front seat. The looks on their faces was gold. Wasn't that hard.
The UK is OTT on health on safety as far as I remember in my years working there.
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Ask the same school if the Fleet Air Arm 'Black Cats' could send a Lynx to do a little show and then give the kids a talk on careers in the Navy...sure the answer would be yes!
That being said - I agree that there is probably nothing inherently unsafe about someone turning up in an R22 as long as it is properly assessed and the is no undue pressure to get it done in the event of weather or serviceability issues, and I can understand how it would be a bit of a laugh for the kids. I think it is the fact that it is basically a bit of upping the "my cars better than yours" or "my toys are better than yours" factor that some may find a little distasteful, and seems so prominent in society today. Maybe at a time other than a prom would be more benefit. It is certainly not the attitude I would want to instill in my children - but that is just me and to be honest there are bigger things to worry about!
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"I take it that when you refer to single parent families, you are only referring to the 'scummy' type ones? Not the Afghanistan widows, wives whose husbands have left them or widowers whose wives died of breast cancer when their kids were young? Oh, good - thought so"
212 man, I didn't refer to any one parent families, widows or otherwise. I simply wondered why a single parent group had their opinion heard when others didn't.
Maybe if you would read things properly instead of making snide comments you might not come across as such a sanctimonious arse.
212 man, I didn't refer to any one parent families, widows or otherwise. I simply wondered why a single parent group had their opinion heard when others didn't.
Maybe if you would read things properly instead of making snide comments you might not come across as such a sanctimonious arse.
Tarman - I would imagine they expressed their opinion (not used their casting vote) because they were asked and were making a point on the wider issue of school proms (for 11 year olds!) - I don't know as I'm nowt to do with the organisation but that's how it reads to me.
As a single parent (wife died leaving me with two boys under ten) I did take offense at your comments, but glad to see you've now put down you Daily Mail and at least tried to backtrack.
As a single parent (wife died leaving me with two boys under ten) I did take offense at your comments, but glad to see you've now put down you Daily Mail and at least tried to backtrack.
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I was not having a go at single parents, I have no axe to grind with them, and in fact my sister is one. (Her husband died)
What I was trying to get across was the fact that, in the UK, minority groups regularly have their opinions taken into account over the majority. My point was that anyone who speaks up gets slaughtered for doing so and 212 man's post seems to back that up.
I did not mean to cause offence to single parents and I apologise if I upset you in any way, but I will not accept snide comments (from 212man) as being a fair response in a debate.
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What I was trying to get across was the fact that, in the UK, minority groups regularly have their opinions taken into account over the majority. My point was that anyone who speaks up gets slaughtered for doing so and 212 man's post seems to back that up.
I did not mean to cause offence to single parents and I apologise if I upset you in any way, but I will not accept snide comments (from 212man) as being a fair response in a debate.
Tarman
I think the school have taken a sensible stance on this one . I myself would not allow a Robinson R22 to come into the school as it could traumatise the poor children . I think you should let kids grow up believing they will own something like a Jet ranger or a 350 . Why ruin this with putting the possibility of owning a 22 into their little heads . That would be just CRUEL.
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more to R22s than you'd think Nige
At the risk of upsetting Nigel, I flew an R22 to a school once. All these 8 year olds gave it a good once over & one little girl asked me what the tiny hole in the exhaust was for. So I got down on my hands & knees & sure enough there was this tiny 2mm diameter hole drilled into the underside of the exhaust manifold. I had no bloody idea!
When I got back I asked the LAME about it. His first question was since when had my DIs got so thorough? Next we checked the other R22s in his hangar, they all had the same small hole. Finally we decided it must be there to prevent condensation forming after shut down.
So I learned sumfin 'bout my chopper from an eight year old. Whats' that line about 'out of the mouths of babes'?
When I got back I asked the LAME about it. His first question was since when had my DIs got so thorough? Next we checked the other R22s in his hangar, they all had the same small hole. Finally we decided it must be there to prevent condensation forming after shut down.
So I learned sumfin 'bout my chopper from an eight year old. Whats' that line about 'out of the mouths of babes'?
If i was running that event (on my own time as it's after hours) and i had a million and one things to organise for a bunch of screaming kids - and someone asked me if they could add a helicopter to the equation i'd probably say no too. It's a party for flaming ten year olds not the poxy oscars!
The man's comments about it "not being of educational value" to the rest of the kids are a perfectly valid reason for declining permission - The article i read made little or no mention of H&S although i confess that i only read the BBC article.
Yes there is an H&S culture here that is not good - there's also a culture of "I've not got my way so i'm going to really whinge and stir it up"
Ahhh well.
The man's comments about it "not being of educational value" to the rest of the kids are a perfectly valid reason for declining permission - The article i read made little or no mention of H&S although i confess that i only read the BBC article.
Yes there is an H&S culture here that is not good - there's also a culture of "I've not got my way so i'm going to really whinge and stir it up"
Ahhh well.
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We never had a car when I was a kid, insufficient family income and too many mouths to feed for that. I never thought it was wrong for other folks to drive their kids to school, nor did I feel jealous or upset by it. 
Are they banning stretch limos too?
Are they banning stretch limos too?
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If people are so concerned about feeling left out surely the grand nature of a "Prom" for a bunch of relatively young children should be taken in to consideration? I naively thought they were the domain of 16-18 year old's leaving school!! Though that age was all about school plays, disco etc, was in my day! ( getting old!!!)
By the very nature that the event the school consents to there will be a distinct possibility of children turning up in 70k 4x4's performance cars Limo's etc so why not a helicopter?
As for not being of benifit to the rest of the children and making some feel left out..........
Why not ask the pilot to give a basic talk on how the machine works, what makes it fly? They cover Newtons laws very nicely !! That then could be applied to a lesson or two in the class room...I bet it would increase the concentration of alot of the pupils and the speed in which they learn with the excitement from seeing the machine
Could also have there pic's taken next to the heli and have a sit in the machine as well etc.... everyone could be involved and have a good and educational time, turning the event into a positive experience for everyone present.
By the very nature that the event the school consents to there will be a distinct possibility of children turning up in 70k 4x4's performance cars Limo's etc so why not a helicopter?
As for not being of benifit to the rest of the children and making some feel left out..........
Why not ask the pilot to give a basic talk on how the machine works, what makes it fly? They cover Newtons laws very nicely !! That then could be applied to a lesson or two in the class room...I bet it would increase the concentration of alot of the pupils and the speed in which they learn with the excitement from seeing the machine
Could also have there pic's taken next to the heli and have a sit in the machine as well etc.... everyone could be involved and have a good and educational time, turning the event into a positive experience for everyone present.
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Originally Posted by alexlaw
Why not ask the pilot to give a basic talk on how the machine works, what makes it fly?
Could also have there pic's taken next to the heli and have a sit in the machine as well etc.... everyone could be involved and have a good and educational time, turning the event into a positive experience for everyone present.
Could also have there pic's taken next to the heli and have a sit in the machine as well etc.... everyone could be involved and have a good and educational time, turning the event into a positive experience for everyone present.
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By the very nature that the event the school consents to there will be a distinct possibility of children turning up in 70k 4x4's performance cars Limo's etc so why not a helicopter?
acting as cover agent for a bunch of bubbling estrogen producing femme fatales coupled with their as yet gangly, disjointed and uncontrolled emerging testosterone producers.
The efforts of scholastic impression should be applauded, with machines being presented to impress and perhaps co-erce more into our discipline, but there is a time and place and school proms, with respect, is not that time. euphoria of the event and all that stuff.
But when competing for research dollars, or kids careers it is very competitive world, we can be positive.
The military often do displays, and we see those same types of demonstrations in agricultural shows of farm animals, explaining where milk comes from, all that sort of thing, to educate kids against the horrors that the World Wildlife Fund would have them believe.
So, we should by way of organisations such as, 'the guild' for example organise expos into the young school age, perhaps over two ages; one at primary school, the other at secondary college, to engender interest in our trade.
May i say though that instead of just showing a flying machine and a "pilot" and the questionable "glamour", why not do three other things.
1. some of the success stories of the industry, such as Frank Robinson, Igor, two good examples and others, how to have a dream and follow it through with determination.
2. some of the basic and very simple physics of it all, the blades are the same on the tops as the bottom, WHY? how importanty it is if you wish to be in the flying industry to stream your subjects to handle those topics. gas pressures, triangulation, fomula of lift, etc
3. Most importantly our industry is desperatley short of engineers, take your local gingerbeer along with a couple of spanners, a cylinder and turbine wheel say, magneto, fuel pumps, swash plate, balancing strobex machine, let them see the workings of it and how easy they are to fix.
Just a couple of ideas as I was busting around amongst the trees today.
cheers tet
Cor Blimey Tet ..that was boring 
If you havent got any smart arse comments about R 22,s just go and find another site to post on
I personally think 2 helis should turn up ....one beautiful new B2 350 and one R22 and tell the kids they will be in the toy one when they grow up if they dont do their homework
If you havent got any smart arse comments about R 22,s just go and find another site to post on I personally think 2 helis should turn up ....one beautiful new B2 350 and one R22 and tell the kids they will be in the toy one when they grow up if they dont do their homework
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Hi,
Just a question for the UK natives ....
It is forbidden in England to a mom drive son to public school in her Rolls Royce Cornish ?
Originally Posted by BBC News
"Schools need to be sensitive to the financial circumstances of all parents.
"It's about having inclusive policies and the mechanisms for helping those who are in limited incomes so their children don't miss out.
"Children, being children, want to be part of the group."
"Schools need to be sensitive to the financial circumstances of all parents.
"It's about having inclusive policies and the mechanisms for helping those who are in limited incomes so their children don't miss out.
"Children, being children, want to be part of the group."
It is forbidden in England to a mom drive son to public school in her Rolls Royce Cornish ?
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Allow me to be the devil's advocate here, and probably offend most of you...
Sounds appropriate to me!
Should this not be an event about the kids, and their common school experience? Will it contribute to the sense of comradery to arrive by helicopter, Rolls Royce, or in an expensive fur? No! It just distances some kids from the others. How is that a good thing, at an event intended to celebrate being a part of a group?
Sure, takng the helicopter to the school, on "helicoter at the school today" day, is a great idea. The helicopter should be the center of attention then, but not at the prom! That's where the kids and their pride in their personal appearance should be the center of attention. Wash the VW or Ford, and take them in that!
I hold the opinion that the school officials probably strugged to express this sentiment, and just missed the mark a bit, while trying their best to not offend anyone. Give them a break! It is their job to look after the growth and developement of these kids the bet way they know. We don't need to confuse this effort with helicopters at social events do we?
Now... Where do I go to rant about Rolls Royces, stretch limos, and fur coats at proms?
Are they banning stretch limos too?
Should this not be an event about the kids, and their common school experience? Will it contribute to the sense of comradery to arrive by helicopter, Rolls Royce, or in an expensive fur? No! It just distances some kids from the others. How is that a good thing, at an event intended to celebrate being a part of a group?
Sure, takng the helicopter to the school, on "helicoter at the school today" day, is a great idea. The helicopter should be the center of attention then, but not at the prom! That's where the kids and their pride in their personal appearance should be the center of attention. Wash the VW or Ford, and take them in that!
I hold the opinion that the school officials probably strugged to express this sentiment, and just missed the mark a bit, while trying their best to not offend anyone. Give them a break! It is their job to look after the growth and developement of these kids the bet way they know. We don't need to confuse this effort with helicopters at social events do we?
Now... Where do I go to rant about Rolls Royces, stretch limos, and fur coats at proms?
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You're comment is pretty sensible bro! Always the Cannie's!
Was gonna say (but then you said it yourself) that if these school dude's really felt that way then they should have expressed exactly these comments to the parents in the way you put it. To hide behind H&S etc. is just typically weak and Burnsish (as in Mr Burns from the Simpsons) of the 'new' (weakened since WWII) British culture!
Now where can I go to rant about a nation who managed a quarter of the globe but has opened her legs to the EU to be governed in every matter from no longer being allowed to sell in lbs weight to what you should say in public!
You're comment is pretty sensible bro! Always the Cannie's!
Was gonna say (but then you said it yourself) that if these school dude's really felt that way then they should have expressed exactly these comments to the parents in the way you put it. To hide behind H&S etc. is just typically weak and Burnsish (as in Mr Burns from the Simpsons) of the 'new' (weakened since WWII) British culture!
Now where can I go to rant about a nation who managed a quarter of the globe but has opened her legs to the EU to be governed in every matter from no longer being allowed to sell in lbs weight to what you should say in public!
The whole of this subject just about sums this country up. The sooner people realise that life is not fair the better. Lots in this country believe they are owed something, quite frankly that is why we are going down the tubes. When I see families on income support " earning " more than I do (I quite often have to work 60 plus hour weeks) it makes my blood boil. So frigging what if someone wants to fly a heli into a prom. I have done it loads of times and the kids think it is great. So most of you stop whingeing about it. Nigel, I think your post sums it up rather well. For those of you concerned about Health and safety, I suppose you are the same people stopping conker fights in the playground.
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No Nigel, I gave up having smart a### comments about R22s about 10K hours ago before I saddled one, we knew all about them of course. ha ha.
Now that I do know a bit about them I have had plenty of unprintable things to say about them.
But the damn things have only put me down seriously three times in those hours, bloody lot different from the other life. An' if the engine coughs it doesn't cost me 400 big ones like yours.
But by gees, you mob over there in ol'blighty are rather sensitive about your school proms, how far away from them are you??
Me I used to ride a horse to school, I was lucky I reckoned, others walked or pushed a bike about. several kids families only had horse and cart instead of broken down motor car like us.
cheers now tet.
Now that I do know a bit about them I have had plenty of unprintable things to say about them.
But the damn things have only put me down seriously three times in those hours, bloody lot different from the other life. An' if the engine coughs it doesn't cost me 400 big ones like yours.
But by gees, you mob over there in ol'blighty are rather sensitive about your school proms, how far away from them are you??
Me I used to ride a horse to school, I was lucky I reckoned, others walked or pushed a bike about. several kids families only had horse and cart instead of broken down motor car like us.
cheers now tet.