Require Wet Hire Twin Engined Helicopter
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Require Wet Hire Twin Engined Helicopter
Hi I'm looking to hire, or contribute towards the cost of, a twin engined helicopter e.g. AS350 to drop me off at my wedding reception in Aug 2010 17:30. The reception is being held on the grounds of Syon Park TW8 8JF and I'm willing to travel to an aerodrome near London, although Damyns Hall (EGML) is my closest aerodrome. Was wondering if any pilot was interested in this job, preferably CPL holder or an experienced PPL holder with necessary type rating etc?
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Incase you missed it on the thread Heli down - Devon here is something from the CAA you may like to read.
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Incase you missed it on the thread Heli down - Devon here is something from the CAA you may like to read.
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Mmmmm ....
In anycase ... if you want a twin engined helicopter the AS350 won't do it for you ....
The AS355 might ......
PS .... has not anybody told you helicopters and marriage do NOT go together
In anycase ... if you want a twin engined helicopter the AS350 won't do it for you ....
The AS355 might ......
PS .... has not anybody told you helicopters and marriage do NOT go together
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Noorpilot, would you instead consider using an unlicensed, un-insured and possibly inexperienced limo driver to take you from the church?
Enjoy your wedding day but please do it safely and legally.
Enjoy your wedding day but please do it safely and legally.
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has not anybody told you helicopters and marriage do NOT go together
besides Helicopters are inherently unstable, is that the platform you wish to step off into a relationship?
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Good luck with getting permission to land there
I've been there and Kew, no problems with ATC either.
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I imagine getting permission to land there would be no problem if you have booked the place for a wedding reception. Plenty of open spaces.
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Chopjock;
Exemption from 5.3.C is mandatory for a flight into that area, and possibly 5.3.D for a single. Oh sorry, you won't get a single in there because its a confined area (defined by the CAA as surrounded by habitation, industry etc, not a postage stamp size piece of grass)
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Why don't you go and talk to an AOC operator who can self authorise such a flight and do it legally in a twin. I've landed at Syon many times, it is a beautiful place for a wedding, and a wedding is no place for any form of illegal helicopter flying, which is what your first post suggested.
And the LHR traffic is below 1500' there
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Exemption from 5.3.C is mandatory for a flight into that area, and possibly 5.3.D for a single. Oh sorry, you won't get a single in there because its a confined area (defined by the CAA as surrounded by habitation, industry etc, not a postage stamp size piece of grass)
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Why don't you go and talk to an AOC operator who can self authorise such a flight and do it legally in a twin. I've landed at Syon many times, it is a beautiful place for a wedding, and a wedding is no place for any form of illegal helicopter flying, which is what your first post suggested.
And the LHR traffic is below 1500' there
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Chopjock, yes I am sure. I suggest you look up the rules regarding landing in the London Heathrow CTR.
(Unless, of course the rules have changed yet again very recently...I'll try to find a reference).
(Unless, of course the rules have changed yet again very recently...I'll try to find a reference).
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The Air Navigation Orderdefines a congested area as being ‘any area of a city, town or settlement which is substantially used for residential, industrial, commercial or recreational purposes’
If the place is private property, has masses of open spaces, fields and gardens etc and has published opening times, and spends more of it's time closed than it does open, I might be inclined to think the term "substantial" does not apply at that site.
For that matter, I don't think there are many substantial residential, industrial or commercial activities there either.
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If the area around Heathrow and West London isn't substantial, then where DO you consider "substantial". 
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If the area around Heathrow and West London isn't substantial, then where DO you consider "substantial"
Also the CAA designed the heli routes through the Heathrow CTR to avoid/minimize over flying congested areas. So there must be lots of "non congested" areas there.
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The CAA permission required exempts the pilot from rule 5(3)(c), i.e. the 1,000 foot rule. I regularly have to obtain such permissions (for a Class A performance twin engined helicopter).
In the last two weeks I've obtained another for a landing site within the LHR CTR and I need to apply for yet another tomorrow; the forms are actually on my desk.
All the ones I've obtained in the past (too many to count) give me as an individual permission but "only within 1 km of the said site at Grid reference TQ *** *** (of the landing point)".
Also, "Landing and takeoff shall not be made closer than 30 metres to any person, vehicle, vessel or fixed object".
There are other terms and conditions to be complied with but those are the most relevant ones.
Edit: Note the proposed landing site is 2 km from the nearest heliroute, at Kew Bridge. I for one would never risk a prosecution for illegal low flying (i.e. no permission applied for and received) with irrefutable evidence such as radar recordings, transponder codes squawked and radio transmissions from my callsign very firmly logged in the Heathrow archives! Whatever the outcome of a court case involving the Enforcement Branch of the CAA, I think a defence lawyer would cost very many times the required fee.
In the last two weeks I've obtained another for a landing site within the LHR CTR and I need to apply for yet another tomorrow; the forms are actually on my desk.
All the ones I've obtained in the past (too many to count) give me as an individual permission but "only within 1 km of the said site at Grid reference TQ *** *** (of the landing point)".
Also, "Landing and takeoff shall not be made closer than 30 metres to any person, vehicle, vessel or fixed object".
There are other terms and conditions to be complied with but those are the most relevant ones.
Edit: Note the proposed landing site is 2 km from the nearest heliroute, at Kew Bridge. I for one would never risk a prosecution for illegal low flying (i.e. no permission applied for and received) with irrefutable evidence such as radar recordings, transponder codes squawked and radio transmissions from my callsign very firmly logged in the Heathrow archives! Whatever the outcome of a court case involving the Enforcement Branch of the CAA, I think a defence lawyer would cost very many times the required fee.
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Chopjock;
Take a look at Leicester Race Course (It appears far less congested than Syon Park) on Google Earth. It meets all of YOUR criteria, but is very definately in a congested area as far as the CAA are concerned. I know this as I was there last year when the CAA started asking a lot of awkward questions of the R44, B206 and Gazelle pilots who had flown in for an evening race meeting, none of them had a permission from the GA dept, and so were all given a pretty stiff bollocking at the time. The four AOC aircraft that were there were all allowed to self authorise and were all twins.
As for what a judge would say, the legislation is drafted by lawyers and then goes through the parliamentary legal process. If you decide you know better and then fall foul of the law I wouldn't mind betting that the judge will come down very much against you. In fact I'd love to hear Flying Lawyer's learned opinion on this one.
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Take a look at Leicester Race Course (It appears far less congested than Syon Park) on Google Earth. It meets all of YOUR criteria, but is very definately in a congested area as far as the CAA are concerned. I know this as I was there last year when the CAA started asking a lot of awkward questions of the R44, B206 and Gazelle pilots who had flown in for an evening race meeting, none of them had a permission from the GA dept, and so were all given a pretty stiff bollocking at the time. The four AOC aircraft that were there were all allowed to self authorise and were all twins.
As for what a judge would say, the legislation is drafted by lawyers and then goes through the parliamentary legal process. If you decide you know better and then fall foul of the law I wouldn't mind betting that the judge will come down very much against you. In fact I'd love to hear Flying Lawyer's learned opinion on this one.
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