Another scam: selling a deregistered UK R44
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Hi again
If anyone is interested I contacted the CAA today and to my utter amazement they replied rather quickly. This is their response.
Dear Sir,
Thank you for your e-mail.
As you may know, the CAA is required, by law, to maintain a Register of Aircraft in the UK, to include on it the names and addresses of all persons qualified to be the owners of the aircraft and to make the Register available to any person to inspect. Insofar as you are a person with legal or equitable title to the aircraft, the CAA therefore is required to include your name and address on the register and to make the register publicly available.
As it was a pre-existing piece of legislation requiring these details to be made public it is not covered by the Data Protection Act.
The CA1 application form that you completed to register the aircraft states in the accompanying notes: 'The UK Register of Civil Aircraft is available to the public, including via the CAA website, and includes the names and addresses of registered owners of aircraft.'
We assume that you have contacted the website concerned to remove this entry, however we ourselves will only re-register and aircraft if we are satisfied ownership has changed and contact the current registered owner before doing so.
We do not insist that you use your private residential address on your application to register but do recommend that you use the most appropriate correspondence address for the distribution of safety information. If you wish to change your address on your existing Certificate of Registration to a business, airfield or PO Box address please return it to us giving details of the new address and a new Certificate will be issued and the Register entry amended. There is no charge for the re-issue of a Certificate of Registration for a change of address.
The website in question is the one that toptobottom mentions above, and as he says, there is no way to contact them via their site.
So it seems the CAA think that it is ok to publish this information due to the anachronistic nature of their rule as opposed to protecting the identity of owners. In this age of information and identity theft etc, I find that attitude rather worrying. The DVLA do not behave in the same fashion so why should it be different with an aircraft register?
Cheers
Rich B
If anyone is interested I contacted the CAA today and to my utter amazement they replied rather quickly. This is their response.
Dear Sir,
Thank you for your e-mail.
As you may know, the CAA is required, by law, to maintain a Register of Aircraft in the UK, to include on it the names and addresses of all persons qualified to be the owners of the aircraft and to make the Register available to any person to inspect. Insofar as you are a person with legal or equitable title to the aircraft, the CAA therefore is required to include your name and address on the register and to make the register publicly available.
As it was a pre-existing piece of legislation requiring these details to be made public it is not covered by the Data Protection Act.
The CA1 application form that you completed to register the aircraft states in the accompanying notes: 'The UK Register of Civil Aircraft is available to the public, including via the CAA website, and includes the names and addresses of registered owners of aircraft.'
We assume that you have contacted the website concerned to remove this entry, however we ourselves will only re-register and aircraft if we are satisfied ownership has changed and contact the current registered owner before doing so.
We do not insist that you use your private residential address on your application to register but do recommend that you use the most appropriate correspondence address for the distribution of safety information. If you wish to change your address on your existing Certificate of Registration to a business, airfield or PO Box address please return it to us giving details of the new address and a new Certificate will be issued and the Register entry amended. There is no charge for the re-issue of a Certificate of Registration for a change of address.
The website in question is the one that toptobottom mentions above, and as he says, there is no way to contact them via their site.
So it seems the CAA think that it is ok to publish this information due to the anachronistic nature of their rule as opposed to protecting the identity of owners. In this age of information and identity theft etc, I find that attitude rather worrying. The DVLA do not behave in the same fashion so why should it be different with an aircraft register?
Cheers
Rich B
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The DVLA don't make it much more difficult to get details - you just have to pay them a tenner (last I checked) to get registration details for a given license plate.
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The DVLA don't make it much more difficult to get details
I would have thought with all the (pointless?) restrictions coming in for the 2012 Olympics the DoT and security services would see G-INFO as a major problem. [It even lists the transponder 24 bit ID's so that you can make one aircraft look line another on radar!] However, I doubt they know enough about aviation to know G-INFO exists.
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Hi all
Well this is not a forum to discuss the DVLA, but here is an extract from their website which clearly states there is a need to prove a reason for obtaining the information and also a fee is payable.
How to find out about the keeper details of another vehicle
You can only get the name and address of the registered keeper of another vehicle if you can demonstrate ‘reasonable cause’ for needing the information. The DVLA must consider the reasons why you need the information and how it will be used before it is given to you.
It is a criminal offence under Section 55 of the Data Protection Act 1998 to unlawfully obtain or sell personal information. Unlimited fines in the Crown Court (or to a maximum of £5,000 in the Magistrates Court) exist as penalties in respect of these offences.
Is it unreasonable to expect/demand that the CAA adopt a similar procedure?
Rant over!
Best Regards
Rich B
Well this is not a forum to discuss the DVLA, but here is an extract from their website which clearly states there is a need to prove a reason for obtaining the information and also a fee is payable.
How to find out about the keeper details of another vehicle
You can only get the name and address of the registered keeper of another vehicle if you can demonstrate ‘reasonable cause’ for needing the information. The DVLA must consider the reasons why you need the information and how it will be used before it is given to you.
It is a criminal offence under Section 55 of the Data Protection Act 1998 to unlawfully obtain or sell personal information. Unlimited fines in the Crown Court (or to a maximum of £5,000 in the Magistrates Court) exist as penalties in respect of these offences.
Is it unreasonable to expect/demand that the CAA adopt a similar procedure?
Rant over!
Best Regards
Rich B
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Do you struggle with reading? The law clearly states they have to keep a register that is open to the public. They have no say in it. If you have got such a big bee in your bonnet about it contact your local MP and try to get the law changed. That is how it works in a country run by rule of law. <rant over>
