Robinson R44 blade tip corrosion
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Robinson R44 blade tip corrosion
Does anyone know about the above?
Should blade tip corrosion be bad enough on a 5 year old, sub 600 hour, privately owned UK machine, always hangered, bad enough to need both blades replacing???
Thats what my friends have come up against, is there nothing else that can be done other than a new set of blades at £30k!
It's a Raven 1 if that makes any differance.
Just wondering if anyones had the same thing or knows of any similar cases?
Should blade tip corrosion be bad enough on a 5 year old, sub 600 hour, privately owned UK machine, always hangered, bad enough to need both blades replacing???
Thats what my friends have come up against, is there nothing else that can be done other than a new set of blades at £30k!
It's a Raven 1 if that makes any differance.
Just wondering if anyones had the same thing or knows of any similar cases?
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Well I personally clean the helicopter very reguarly and there is or was no sign of delamination. Only the usual bit of paint missing from the leading edge going a few inch back...
I'll try and get some pics soon.
I'll try and get some pics soon.
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Pics would be good.
Is it more than the usual paint loss?
Are you in a corrosive atmosphere (salt, nearby chemical factories, other)?
Do you ever wipe down the blades (MR & TR) with WD40 (or similar)?
Is it more than the usual paint loss?
Are you in a corrosive atmosphere (salt, nearby chemical factories, other)?
Do you ever wipe down the blades (MR & TR) with WD40 (or similar)?
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5 year old R44 and paint missing from the leading edge going a few inch back....
Corrosion is not something that comes overnight, has FAA AD 2007-26-12 been followed up correctly?
On the RHC website (support section) you can find the AMOC to AD 2007-26-12 which propose to do this inspection every 100 Hrs /Annual inspection.
I don't know if this had been done on your R44 but we have good results with this procedure
Corrosion is not something that comes overnight, has FAA AD 2007-26-12 been followed up correctly?
On the RHC website (support section) you can find the AMOC to AD 2007-26-12 which propose to do this inspection every 100 Hrs /Annual inspection.
I don't know if this had been done on your R44 but we have good results with this procedure
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Thanks for the replies so far.
I was not so clear on the paint.... When I say goes back a few inch, I mean toward the blade root. It's just the usual missing paint you see on all Robbos and I have seen and flown worse blades which were fine.
Theres no talk of delamination. Just corrosion on/in the tips.
Just seemed strange. Will try for some pics over the weekend.
I was not so clear on the paint.... When I say goes back a few inch, I mean toward the blade root. It's just the usual missing paint you see on all Robbos and I have seen and flown worse blades which were fine.
Theres no talk of delamination. Just corrosion on/in the tips.
Just seemed strange. Will try for some pics over the weekend.
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Oh and all AD's are upto date, it had a 100 inspection a few months ago.
As for area, I don't think it's particuarly a corrosive atmosphere. It's east coast about 3NM from the sea but it's ALWAYS put back in the hangar. Don't fly it through rain or crap unless caught out by the odd shower.
No haven't used WD40 or anything like that, only use a damp cloth to clean the blades and anything other than paintwork or screen. Do them often enough so it's not caked with flies.
I'm just a bit miffed by it really. Seems nobody else has had this problem with similar hours and year machine then?
As for area, I don't think it's particuarly a corrosive atmosphere. It's east coast about 3NM from the sea but it's ALWAYS put back in the hangar. Don't fly it through rain or crap unless caught out by the odd shower.
No haven't used WD40 or anything like that, only use a damp cloth to clean the blades and anything other than paintwork or screen. Do them often enough so it's not caked with flies.
I'm just a bit miffed by it really. Seems nobody else has had this problem with similar hours and year machine then?
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looks like the last post would be good advice. There also was a picture of a R44 blade with a razor blade stuck in between the skin and spar not so long back somewhere here.
That blade was replaced.
it is under the blade outboard cap that you are looking at the corrosion is it?
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That blade was replaced.
it is under the blade outboard cap that you are looking at the corrosion is it?
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Not commenting on condition of the blades (best advice so far - get an independent engineer to check).
However
3nm from the coast means it is likely that you are flying regularly in salt-laden atmosphere. Putting it back in the hangar with salt on metal will lead to corrosion - continues until all salt residue is removed. Good idea to wash regularly and [edited] follow recommended anti-corrosion treatment.
Any pics yet?
[I have seen spectacular corrosion caused by keeping / flying a heli at Liverpool. Still bought it. The clean / anti corrosion route was the conclusion of 2 engineers and the manufacturer who all looked at the machine]
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3nm from the coast means it is likely that you are flying regularly in salt-laden atmosphere. Putting it back in the hangar with salt on metal will lead to corrosion - continues until all salt residue is removed. Good idea to wash regularly and [edited] follow recommended anti-corrosion treatment.
Any pics yet?
[I have seen spectacular corrosion caused by keeping / flying a heli at Liverpool. Still bought it. The clean / anti corrosion route was the conclusion of 2 engineers and the manufacturer who all looked at the machine]
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"Good idea to wash regularly and wipe down afterwards any metal parts of MR or TR with a little light oil (eg wd40) which then adheres and protects metal from corrosion."
NOT GOOD IDEA ANYWHERE NEAR BONDING OR JOINT. RHC DO NOT RECOMMEND WD 40.
(There have been previous discussions on this matter - if you are any doubt, ask RHC first or at least ask a UK R44 engineer who will give you the RHC gospel on WD40.)
NOT GOOD IDEA ANYWHERE NEAR BONDING OR JOINT. RHC DO NOT RECOMMEND WD 40.
(There have been previous discussions on this matter - if you are any doubt, ask RHC first or at least ask a UK R44 engineer who will give you the RHC gospel on WD40.)
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Hi, Chaps...
Is this Erosion or Corrosion? as the two are not the same, pic would be nice.
I had a worry with the blades on my 47 when I aquired it, even though they are stainless they looked badly corroded on the leading edge, however they turned out to be fine, and a coat of paint cured all... (I must add the paint cost 5K!!!)
I was supprised how quick the paint goes mind you, fly through any rain and woosh its gone...
Kev.
Is this Erosion or Corrosion? as the two are not the same, pic would be nice.
I had a worry with the blades on my 47 when I aquired it, even though they are stainless they looked badly corroded on the leading edge, however they turned out to be fine, and a coat of paint cured all... (I must add the paint cost 5K!!!)
I was supprised how quick the paint goes mind you, fly through any rain and woosh its gone...
Kev.
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Thanks fellas.
As said I only wash the blades with a damp cloth. I wash the heli in that wonder dry type stuff, not water but the only thing to touch the blades is a damn cloth so can't be anything like that I'm sure.
Through the summer I would say it gets cleaned 1-2 every 2 weeks depending on how much flying it does. I take pride in my cleaning of helicopters and do it as a favour ya see
and I am the only one who washes but there's only about 4 people who fly it etc...
Will try and get some pics sorted this weekend
As said I only wash the blades with a damp cloth. I wash the heli in that wonder dry type stuff, not water but the only thing to touch the blades is a damn cloth so can't be anything like that I'm sure.
Through the summer I would say it gets cleaned 1-2 every 2 weeks depending on how much flying it does. I take pride in my cleaning of helicopters and do it as a favour ya see
and I am the only one who washes but there's only about 4 people who fly it etc...Will try and get some pics sorted this weekend
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R44-pilot - if you are bothered about the verdict (and you should be , it's you who is paying), get an opinion from a different maintenance organisation. Preferably one that is from a different country.
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