29Jan2010 - R44 crashed in Germany
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29Jan2010 - R44 crashed in Germany
Hi all,
a private owned R44 crashed on the 29th of January 2010 in Germany - Iserlohn Hegenscheid.
Due to the published police report, the pilot didn´t find the snow covered airfield, landed, took an local passenger on board and later collided withe the roof of a barn/hangar.
Weather wasn´t to good on the day.
Pictures from a private guy found on picassa
Picasa-Webalben - HELIKO WEB Bilder - Unfall D-HFCN
You can see, a clipped raintube on the tower
Three occupants - only slightly injured.
Greetings Flying Bull
a private owned R44 crashed on the 29th of January 2010 in Germany - Iserlohn Hegenscheid.
Due to the published police report, the pilot didn´t find the snow covered airfield, landed, took an local passenger on board and later collided withe the roof of a barn/hangar.
Weather wasn´t to good on the day.
Pictures from a private guy found on picassa
Picasa-Webalben - HELIKO WEB Bilder - Unfall D-HFCN
You can see, a clipped raintube on the tower
Three occupants - only slightly injured.
Greetings Flying Bull
Last edited by Flying Bull; 31st Jan 2010 at 12:28.
Doesn't make any sense to me.
"He collided with a barn/hangar".
And then the wreck was thrown in front of the tower to be cleaned up by the janitor in the morning???
"He collided with a barn/hangar".
And then the wreck was thrown in front of the tower to be cleaned up by the janitor in the morning???
skadi
Guess he found the airport...
and hey, who wants to walk all that way through that white stuff any way..?
Maybe it was a drive/fly through landing fee office
Besides that, won't the insurance querry this claim with regard to landing with in a certain distance of a building?
and hey, who wants to walk all that way through that white stuff any way..? Maybe it was a drive/fly through landing fee office
Besides that, won't the insurance querry this claim with regard to landing with in a certain distance of a building?
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Hi fkelly
weather was all day snow/rain mix.
Visibilty only short times going up, most times around 2 to 4 klicks.
Don´t know the time of the crash, so can´t say how it was at that time.
ceeling seemed to be low as well all day
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Greetings Flying Bull
weather was all day snow/rain mix.
Visibilty only short times going up, most times around 2 to 4 klicks.
Don´t know the time of the crash, so can´t say how it was at that time.
ceeling seemed to be low as well all day
At wonderground you can cx old weather
History : Weather Underground
Greetings Flying Bull
Lucky they didn't fall onto what looks like a fuel tank next to the garage.
Mickjoebill
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skadi
well instead of questioning the pilots decision making flying an R44 into a blizzard, let's look at the positive side - that tower has been proven to be a nice and solid building, and the raingutter shouldn't be expensive to replace!
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You missed out "testing the strength of the garage roof".
Looks like rotor strike on the tower wall then the machine fell on the garage roof and slid off to fall on the ground.
Looks like rotor strike on the tower wall then the machine fell on the garage roof and slid off to fall on the ground.
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Originally Posted by John R81
Flight prohibited in known icing conditions
temp?
visible moisture (snow)?
temp?
visible moisture (snow)?
So if I go flying and a single snow flake falls on me is that known icing conditions?
I was out today in a snow shower... No icing at all !!
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Snow versus Ice
Nope.
There are two kinds of aircraft when it comes to icing - those approved for flight into known icing conditions and those that are not.
Know icing conditions generally refer to the probability or certainty of freezing rain (supercooled droplets that freeze on impact with the object they encounter) given that the temperature on the ground is at or below zero and so temperatures aloft will tend to drop as you climb.
Snow is not frozen rain. Snowflakes are created inside clouds by tiny ice crystals colliding and sticking together. Most snowflakes melt on their way to the ground and fall as rain. Only when the air near the ground is cold enough will snowflakes fall as snow.
From CAA SRG http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/33/fod200842.pdf
6.3 Flight in Snow or Icing Conditions
6.3.1 Clearance for a helicopter to fly in icing conditions is based on a type specific certification. The number of helicopter types approved to fly in icing conditions is very small although an additional number of other types have been given a ‘limited’ icing approval. These types are almost all exclusively used in the offshore oil and gas industry where the over-water aspect of the operation provides an escape from icing conditions. Helicopter operations in the onshore environment are almost exclusively based on the precept of avoidance of flight in icing conditions.
6.3.2 Precautions should be taken to avoid encountering icing, a number of which are as follows:
I too have flown in snow, caught in Blizzard between NY and Lancaster (PA) - we diverted (dropping viz and light) and set down without issue at Pottstown.
Known icing conditions is another matter - to be avoided for most of us (GA) in choppers.
There are two kinds of aircraft when it comes to icing - those approved for flight into known icing conditions and those that are not.
Know icing conditions generally refer to the probability or certainty of freezing rain (supercooled droplets that freeze on impact with the object they encounter) given that the temperature on the ground is at or below zero and so temperatures aloft will tend to drop as you climb.
Snow is not frozen rain. Snowflakes are created inside clouds by tiny ice crystals colliding and sticking together. Most snowflakes melt on their way to the ground and fall as rain. Only when the air near the ground is cold enough will snowflakes fall as snow.
From CAA SRG http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/33/fod200842.pdf
6.3 Flight in Snow or Icing Conditions
6.3.1 Clearance for a helicopter to fly in icing conditions is based on a type specific certification. The number of helicopter types approved to fly in icing conditions is very small although an additional number of other types have been given a ‘limited’ icing approval. These types are almost all exclusively used in the offshore oil and gas industry where the over-water aspect of the operation provides an escape from icing conditions. Helicopter operations in the onshore environment are almost exclusively based on the precept of avoidance of flight in icing conditions.
6.3.2 Precautions should be taken to avoid encountering icing, a number of which are as follows:
• Obtain a thorough meteorological briefing, especially when temperatures are expected to be near to or below freezing.
• If icing is suspected from either visual or other signs (e.g. vibration, abnormally high power requirements or engine temperatures) action should be taken to vacate the suspected conditions by transitioning to a warmer area,.
• Flight in freezing rain is prohibited.
6.3.3 Flight in falling snow or sleet may be approved but only as specified in the Flight Manual Limitations Section. Such Limitations may require a particular helicopter configuration such as the installation of engine intake snow protection devices. If the helicopter is not in the relevant configuration, flight in the specified condition is not permitted.I too have flown in snow, caught in Blizzard between NY and Lancaster (PA) - we diverted (dropping viz and light) and set down without issue at Pottstown.
Known icing conditions is another matter - to be avoided for most of us (GA) in choppers.
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Hi all,
two new newslinks
Hubschrauberunglück am Hegenscheid: Alle haben großes Glück gehabt - Iserlohn - DerWesten
and
Hegenscheid: Hubschrauber-'Absturz: Drei Personen verletzt - Altena - DerWesten
According to that, the pilot was on his way to Krefeld but hoped, he could do an intermediate (overnight) stop at the airfiel Altena Hegenscheid (Glidersite, helicopter allowed). He landed first on a field, cause he didn´t find the airfield and took a local on board.
Accident happend while landing at the airfield.
Greetings Flying Bull
two new newslinks
Hubschrauberunglück am Hegenscheid: Alle haben großes Glück gehabt - Iserlohn - DerWesten
and
Hegenscheid: Hubschrauber-'Absturz: Drei Personen verletzt - Altena - DerWesten
According to that, the pilot was on his way to Krefeld but hoped, he could do an intermediate (overnight) stop at the airfiel Altena Hegenscheid (Glidersite, helicopter allowed). He landed first on a field, cause he didn´t find the airfield and took a local on board.
Accident happend while landing at the airfield.
Greetings Flying Bull
Two days later, about 25nm south of the first one, another R44 flipped over during a precautionary landing ( ++SN ) on a snow covered field...
Oberberg-Aktuell - **Lokales
skadi
Oberberg-Aktuell - **Lokales
skadi
Last edited by skadi; 2nd Feb 2010 at 07:41.
