R-44 missing in Norway Jan 2010
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R-44 missing in Norway Jan 2010
An R-44 with 4 POB is reported to have crashed into the sea outside the town of Horten on the southern coast of Norway at about 13.20 this afternoon. It was in company with another helicopter when it crashed. There was ice on the fjord, but the helicopter appears to have sunk quickly.
So far there is no report of any survivors.
So far there is no report of any survivors.
Last edited by GenuineHoverBug; 27th Jan 2010 at 18:38. Reason: Updated the title
Unfortunately, Norwegian papers are now reporting that the wreckage has been located at 15 meters deep, with 4 deceased in the wreck.
Sad news, and not what we needed to hear...
Sad news, and not what we needed to hear...
A bit more here.
Given the eye witness statement in that report, I don't understand this bit: "While it’s unclear what caused the accident, “there’s no reason to believe that this was caused by a defect" in the helicopter...".
RIP
Helicopter crashes through ice in Oslo fjord
By Ian MacDougall, THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
OSLO, Norway — A civilian helicopter with four Norwegians on board crashed into iced-over water in the Oslo fjord off southeastern Norway on Wednesday and divers searched for survivors, rescue workers said.
The helicopter went down in foggy afternoon weather 500 feet (150 metres) off Horten, a town an hour south of Oslo, Norway Central Rescue spokesman Einar Knudsen said.
Knudsen said divers had not yet found the wreckage of the helicopter and, though hampered by murky water and strong undercurrents, were still “searching for survivors.”
However, he acknowledged that the helicopter was “probably“ resting on the sea floor in 39 F (4 C) water about 66 feet (20 metres) deep.
An unnamed Norwegian company had hired two Robinson R44 model helicopters owned by Midtnorsk Helicopter Service to ferry five employees from Tonsberg 60 miles (100 kilometres) north to Oslo when one went down, Midtnorsk spokesman John-Erik Sogn said.
The pilot of the second helicopter, which landed safely in Horten, saw “the other one suddenly started to spin in mid-air — at 800 feet (240 metres) above the water — before it went down,” Sogn told The Associated Press.
He said that Midtnorsk, which operates sightseeing trips and charter flights in Norway, services its helicopters after every 50 hours in the air and that the company has never experienced a crash like this before.
While it’s unclear what caused the accident, “there’s no reason to believe that this was caused by a defect” in the helicopter, Sogn said.
According to Norway’s Accident Investigation Board, there have been nine accidents in Norway involving the Robinson R44 helicopter since 1998, none of them fatal.
By Ian MacDougall, THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
OSLO, Norway — A civilian helicopter with four Norwegians on board crashed into iced-over water in the Oslo fjord off southeastern Norway on Wednesday and divers searched for survivors, rescue workers said.
The helicopter went down in foggy afternoon weather 500 feet (150 metres) off Horten, a town an hour south of Oslo, Norway Central Rescue spokesman Einar Knudsen said.
Knudsen said divers had not yet found the wreckage of the helicopter and, though hampered by murky water and strong undercurrents, were still “searching for survivors.”
However, he acknowledged that the helicopter was “probably“ resting on the sea floor in 39 F (4 C) water about 66 feet (20 metres) deep.
An unnamed Norwegian company had hired two Robinson R44 model helicopters owned by Midtnorsk Helicopter Service to ferry five employees from Tonsberg 60 miles (100 kilometres) north to Oslo when one went down, Midtnorsk spokesman John-Erik Sogn said.
The pilot of the second helicopter, which landed safely in Horten, saw “the other one suddenly started to spin in mid-air — at 800 feet (240 metres) above the water — before it went down,” Sogn told The Associated Press.
He said that Midtnorsk, which operates sightseeing trips and charter flights in Norway, services its helicopters after every 50 hours in the air and that the company has never experienced a crash like this before.
While it’s unclear what caused the accident, “there’s no reason to believe that this was caused by a defect” in the helicopter, Sogn said.
According to Norway’s Accident Investigation Board, there have been nine accidents in Norway involving the Robinson R44 helicopter since 1998, none of them fatal.
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There seems to have been some sort of problem with the helicopter.
The pilot made a distress-or urgencycall to Rygge Tower just before the crash.
The last GPS-log recieved from the helicopter showed a speed of 174km/hrs, so they weren't hovering in the fog. Although it was quite foggy here...
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The pilot made a distress-or urgencycall to Rygge Tower just before the crash.
The last GPS-log recieved from the helicopter showed a speed of 174km/hrs, so they weren't hovering in the fog. Although it was quite foggy here...
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The names of the victims are published here: Alle fire omkom - Nyheter - Innenriks - Aftenposten.no.
(The article is in norwegian) It also has a short videoclip that indicates the conditions in the area.
One additional piece of information that have come out via ATS is that it seems there may have been a radio transmission from the helicopter just before it crashed. No hint of the content of this has been released.
(The article is in norwegian) It also has a short videoclip that indicates the conditions in the area.
One additional piece of information that have come out via ATS is that it seems there may have been a radio transmission from the helicopter just before it crashed. No hint of the content of this has been released.
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Is it me or are there just too many accidents and incidents involving this aircraft. I know of course its a very widely used machine, in particular the R22. Although a fixed wing man with no real negative issues regarding helicopters in general (having flown in various military types over the years) I would nevertheless have to be honest and say that I would feel a tad uncomfortable about the prospect of a flight in a R22 or the 44.
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The helicopter went down in foggy afternoon weather 500 feet (150 metres) off Horten
That says it.
The helicopter went down in foggy afternoon weather 500 feet (150 metres) off Horten
That says it.
4ftHover.
Well said....
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The main part of the helicopter now seems to have been salvaged. A picture here: Helikopteret er hevet - nyheter - Dagbladet.no
The 4 victims were recovered earlier, sometime during the night.
The 4 victims were recovered earlier, sometime during the night.
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Point taken re IMC (if indeed he was IMC), but if...
...it can't have been that bad or it wouldn't have been seen 
? I wouldn't necessarily jump to the same conclusion that the report did; if the witness report is accurate, it sounds as though it could have been a defect. Or maybe I'm just trying to give the pilot the benefit of the doubt until the investigation is complete...
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The pilot of the second helicopter, which landed safely in Horten, saw “the other one suddenly started to spin in mid-air
? I wouldn't necessarily jump to the same conclusion that the report did; if the witness report is accurate, it sounds as though it could have been a defect. Or maybe I'm just trying to give the pilot the benefit of the doubt until the investigation is complete...TTB
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The helicopter went down in foggy afternoon weather 500 feet (150 metres) off Horten
That says it.
No need for an investigation then eh!!
4ftHover.
Well said....
The helicopter went down in foggy afternoon weather 500 feet (150 metres) off Horten
That says it.
No need for an investigation then eh!!
4ftHover.
Well said....
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The AIB Norway is quoted as saying that there was no fog in the area when the accident happened.
It is also said that they have interviewed the pilot and also have other information regarding the final phase of the flight. The content of this is withheld for the moment to avoid speculation.
It is also said that they have interviewed the pilot and also have other information regarding the final phase of the flight. The content of this is withheld for the moment to avoid speculation.
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Rotorrookie.
Your point is? Please explain the 'WTF'
My post was quoted from lowflier. Making an assumption that the aircraft crashed due to the foggy weather isn't cool.
If the 'WTF' that you posted is for my approving of 4fthover's post then again, your point is?
Your point is? Please explain the 'WTF'
My post was quoted from lowflier. Making an assumption that the aircraft crashed due to the foggy weather isn't cool.
If the 'WTF' that you posted is for my approving of 4fthover's post then again, your point is?
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Some more, detailed pictures of the wreckage are available here: Smadret helikopter sendes til havarikommisjonen - nyheter - Dagbladet.no
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I was just trying to figure out this" no need for an investigation" comment of yours and this claim about "foggy weather".....
I thought that many of you where jumping at the "bad wx/pilot error" conclusion, which is too often shouted out here when tragic like this one happens.
maybe you where not with your comment and I misunderstood it.
but according to the other pilot the helicopter started spinning in mid air,
first thought from that is mechanical failure.
I thought that many of you where jumping at the "bad wx/pilot error" conclusion, which is too often shouted out here when tragic like this one happens.
maybe you where not with your comment and I misunderstood it.
but according to the other pilot the helicopter started spinning in mid air,
first thought from that is mechanical failure.
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If you took the time to read the previous posts, you would have seen the comment that I quoted, posted by 'Low Flier' and should have realised that I was being sarcastic!
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The names of the victims were released last night and are mentioned in the articles linked to above, but may be easier to find here: Alle fire omkomne hentet opp - Nyheter - Innenriks - Aftenposten.no