British Grand Prix 2010: Silverstone Heliport
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PPL Rules
I understand the new rules are :
a. Attended the official brief
b. Flown in on one of the Practice days
c. Had a check flight with a HeliAir pilot to prove capability to fly in on GP day.
A and B are fair enough but call me Mr Cynical because the last one sounds like a good way to make an extra few quid :-(
Anyone know if Grandfather rights are allowed for PPLs who have flown in for the last few years without any problems ?
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a. Attended the official brief
b. Flown in on one of the Practice days
c. Had a check flight with a HeliAir pilot to prove capability to fly in on GP day.
A and B are fair enough but call me Mr Cynical because the last one sounds like a good way to make an extra few quid :-(
Anyone know if Grandfather rights are allowed for PPLs who have flown in for the last few years without any problems ?
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The email I have from HeliAir doesn't specifically mention C. It does mention A & B, and that as a result of B they must be satisfied you'll be safe. Seems fair enough to me.
The details of the practice days haven't been released yet; but I would be disappointed if there was anything other than a minimal charge for them given what they are charging for the slots themselves and ancillary bits and pieces; plus the fact the practice day is mandatory. (I suspect they will make money from the practice day if their own SFH customers are also flying into Silverstone!).
HeliAir have always been a fair bunch to me, so I can only speak as I find - if you want clarification give them a call!!
C.
The details of the practice days haven't been released yet; but I would be disappointed if there was anything other than a minimal charge for them given what they are charging for the slots themselves and ancillary bits and pieces; plus the fact the practice day is mandatory. (I suspect they will make money from the practice day if their own SFH customers are also flying into Silverstone!).
HeliAir have always been a fair bunch to me, so I can only speak as I find - if you want clarification give them a call!!
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Silverstone Heliport
For all those helicopter operators planning their Silverstone strategy for 2010 please have a look at this link.
Graphic showing the trace of Silverstone's new Arena layout
12 gates, terminals and parking – where? We all need this to work for us as an industry so can somebody reassure us that this will all be all right on the night. Is a heliport as important to Silverstone as it is to us? I ask again - Does this heliport have CAA approval yet?
Graphic showing the trace of Silverstone's new Arena layout
12 gates, terminals and parking – where? We all need this to work for us as an industry so can somebody reassure us that this will all be all right on the night. Is a heliport as important to Silverstone as it is to us? I ask again - Does this heliport have CAA approval yet?
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I'm confused
At the BHA meeting, Heli Air told operators that slots would be at a premium... book now... helicopters are low on Silverstone's priority list... prices remain high due to limited availability...
However they are encouraging HCGB members to fly in on any day of the Grand Prix for Ł22 for an R22 and Ł44 for an R44, plus attend a Ł30 Qualification Day.
Private R44 = Ł44
Commercial R44 parked next to it = circa Ł500
??
However they are encouraging HCGB members to fly in on any day of the Grand Prix for Ł22 for an R22 and Ł44 for an R44, plus attend a Ł30 Qualification Day.
Private R44 = Ł44
Commercial R44 parked next to it = circa Ł500
??
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the helicopter club prices are for hcgb members for private use only
it was on the email sent last week to all members for the events 2010
there was also some restricions which i have printed for you
it was on the email sent last week to all members for the events 2010
there was also some restricions which i have printed for you
). These rates apply for all 3 days of the event, and include parking and handling fees. This is the bargain of the year! Conditions: fly in once, park, fly out once, personal use for friends & family only, no fare paying pax., no commercial flights, on race day land before 09.00 and depart after 18.00. Practice & qualifying days are much more relaxed, more available and in many ways, more enjoyable! Silverstone entry tickets are also needed.
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Wow... now there is a reason to join HCGB all on its own!
(Little use to me though, as I am bringing 7 friends in in two shuttles - first into Silverstone and then into Turweston. Taking all home from Turweston due to slot times (post 1800) out of Silverstone).
C.
(Little use to me though, as I am bringing 7 friends in in two shuttles - first into Silverstone and then into Turweston. Taking all home from Turweston due to slot times (post 1800) out of Silverstone).
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Yes, as md 600 driver mentioned, those rates are for HCGB members.
I'm all for the HCGB getting good rates, but it's a bit unfair on everyone else.
As stated, a commercial R44 flying in on Sunday, park, pax handling and fly out will be charged Ł550 + VAT, as opposed to Ł44 + VAT and a Ł30 briefing.
Go figure!
Yes, as md 600 driver mentioned, those rates are for HCGB members.
I'm all for the HCGB getting good rates, but it's a bit unfair on everyone else.
As stated, a commercial R44 flying in on Sunday, park, pax handling and fly out will be charged Ł550 + VAT, as opposed to Ł44 + VAT and a Ł30 briefing.
Go figure!
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No, its worse than that, its a private R44 sitting next to another private R44 who doesn't happen to be a member of HCGB... so lets not think its the commercials being picked on.
Because what I want to do doesn't fit with the HCGB "offer" I pay the same as a commercial.
Now, the fact I could hire multiple aircraft and get a lift back to each one and still be better off... thats wrong!!
Because what I want to do doesn't fit with the HCGB "offer" I pay the same as a commercial.
Now, the fact I could hire multiple aircraft and get a lift back to each one and still be better off... thats wrong!!
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your not a member of the hcgb [are you] so your wont be getting the hcgb price anyway
it seems to me the hcgb has managed to get a special reduction for its members arriving and departing when the commercial trafic has stopped or does not want slots anymore ,thats sound commercial practice that will reduce the cost of commercial trafic
your private flight is it cost sharing? if so will you will be paying your share to arrive twice and depart twice as both flights are classed as seperate flights for the cost sharing rules maybe least said the better
your not a member of the hcgb [are you] so your wont be getting the hcgb price anyway
it seems to me the hcgb has managed to get a special reduction for its members arriving and departing when the commercial trafic has stopped or does not want slots anymore ,thats sound commercial practice that will reduce the cost of commercial trafic
your private flight is it cost sharing? if so will you will be paying your share to arrive twice and depart twice as both flights are classed as seperate flights for the cost sharing rules maybe least said the better
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md 600,
I shall be becoming a member of the HCGB, having spoken to a member yesterday who extolled its virtues to me.
And yes, its a great deal for their members... it bugs me though that even though I am paying commercial rates I am subject to the same slot restrictions as the offer, however I have made my plans around this and only plan to use 1 slot. I'll use Turweston instead of waiting until 6PM to leave.
Cost sharing is not an issue, but thanks for the concern.
I shall be becoming a member of the HCGB, having spoken to a member yesterday who extolled its virtues to me.
And yes, its a great deal for their members... it bugs me though that even though I am paying commercial rates I am subject to the same slot restrictions as the offer, however I have made my plans around this and only plan to use 1 slot. I'll use Turweston instead of waiting until 6PM to leave.
Cost sharing is not an issue, but thanks for the concern.
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You're confused!
Looking at the circuit redevelopment I find it hard to believe that there will be a heliport of any size at Silverstone in 2010. Corporate hospitality is where Silverstone make their money and the heliport should cater for these big spending individuals and organizations. IF slots are going to be at a premium and parking is going to be heavily restricted (as surely it will be) where is the sense in filling the place up with privateers, especially if they are paying a token fee?
Commercial helicopters have always had to pay a premium to land at the circuit. This I would imagine is what pays the substantial set up costs that must be involved with running a heliport of this scale. If I am bringing in an S76 with landing fees of over a grand a pop I am not going to be very happy if I can’t park up during the race! The alternative – fly to base to park and then battle my way back in to collect my passengers post race sticking another 30 minutes on the flying time and at my expense. Are helicopters really low on Silverstone’s priority list or is all this just a pain in the backside for Heli Air who must be wondering what they have let themselves in for!
Commercial helicopters have always had to pay a premium to land at the circuit. This I would imagine is what pays the substantial set up costs that must be involved with running a heliport of this scale. If I am bringing in an S76 with landing fees of over a grand a pop I am not going to be very happy if I can’t park up during the race! The alternative – fly to base to park and then battle my way back in to collect my passengers post race sticking another 30 minutes on the flying time and at my expense. Are helicopters really low on Silverstone’s priority list or is all this just a pain in the backside for Heli Air who must be wondering what they have let themselves in for!
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Parking, gates and extra costs...
I understand that parking has now become an issue. We still don’t know how many gates will be available. And be aware that if you pay for a terminal you'll have to pay extra for tables and chairs!
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FODCOM 15/10: Major Changes to and Detailed Requirements for the British Formula 1 Grand Prix at Silverstone 9-11 July 2010
Applicability: All Helicopter AOC Holders and General Aviation Helicopter Pilots
Issued: 29 April 2010
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Silverstone 2010
At least we all know where we stand now. Not sure where we are going to park!
Interesting survey on this website...
www.flysilverstone.co.uk
I wonder what sort of feedback they are getting?
Interesting survey on this website...
www.flysilverstone.co.uk
I wonder what sort of feedback they are getting?
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British GP
Heliair received their licence last week. Over the weekend Heliair held a PPL briefing for flying in/out of Silverstone for the GP weekend.
On race day all PPL's have arrival slots before 0800. There are 12 gates on the GP FATO, 20/02.
I attended the PPL briefing held at the Freshair base nr Bicester. I have to say everything was very professional, friendly, good attention to detail. The facilities & lunch were of the highest standard & quality.
In true British style it is very easy to criticise but I'm sure with the committment the Heliair team have under the leadership of Sean Brown, the GP day will excellent, & I wish all at Heliair great success.
On race day all PPL's have arrival slots before 0800. There are 12 gates on the GP FATO, 20/02.
I attended the PPL briefing held at the Freshair base nr Bicester. I have to say everything was very professional, friendly, good attention to detail. The facilities & lunch were of the highest standard & quality.
In true British style it is very easy to criticise but I'm sure with the committment the Heliair team have under the leadership of Sean Brown, the GP day will excellent, & I wish all at Heliair great success.
