Dismissal at London HEMS
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Over the rainbow
Posts: 5
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Partial agreement
DB, whilst I agree with some aspects of your point of view - especially with regard to high salaries for not only the CEO, but various managers and fundraising teams at LAA (oh and lets not forget the various freebies subsidised by the charity monies - I would have to take you to task over a few points. "Your" daily flying time rarely amounted to more than an hours work in a day, secondly the work of some of the "administrators" made sure that funding was received year on year from the NHS (the main source of funding for LAA) and lastly, if you are who I think you are LAA didn't necessarily treat you that well either did it?
I never met Mr Philpott but understand from those have that he was a decent and fair man. But those that really know LAA (and worked there) would have to agree that perhaps he had a valid point in raising his concerns with the Charity Commission.
I never met Mr Philpott but understand from those have that he was a decent and fair man. But those that really know LAA (and worked there) would have to agree that perhaps he had a valid point in raising his concerns with the Charity Commission.
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: London, UK
Posts: 226
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I'll apologise in advance for introducing some facts into the tail end of this thread.
I don't wish to encourage further speculation, envy or questions on absolute or relative pay, but for reference purposes here's a very large UK charity (revenue around 300m GBP) who publish a salary table for above 60k in their accounts. See pdf page 61, real page 59,
http://www.oxfam.org.uk/resources/do...ounts08_09.pdf
And another with more relevance for a ppruner, page 27,
http://www.bhf.org.uk/annualreview09...eview-2009.pdf
I don't wish to encourage further speculation, envy or questions on absolute or relative pay, but for reference purposes here's a very large UK charity (revenue around 300m GBP) who publish a salary table for above 60k in their accounts. See pdf page 61, real page 59,
http://www.oxfam.org.uk/resources/do...ounts08_09.pdf
And another with more relevance for a ppruner, page 27,
http://www.bhf.org.uk/annualreview09...eview-2009.pdf
Thread Starter
No apologies for bringing this thread back to the front.
Last week the East Anglia Air Ambulance issued a press release bidding farewell to their CEO Simon Grey. He is to leave the charity at the end of January 2011 but I understand that he has already 'gone'.
He was predicted to be taking up a new role at the Association of Air Ambulances (AAA), subject to ratification at its forthcoming AGM.
Well fair to say he appeared at the AGM but because it is against the constitution for a AAA Chairman not to have a job in the industry he could not be made chairman. At the meeting he openly let it be known that he left after a disagreement over the recent award of a commercial contract for Clinical Governance with a group, EMSC Ltd., based in [east] London. The free option offered by Magpas in Cambridgeshire was sidelined.
Last week the East Anglia Air Ambulance issued a press release bidding farewell to their CEO Simon Grey. He is to leave the charity at the end of January 2011 but I understand that he has already 'gone'.
He was predicted to be taking up a new role at the Association of Air Ambulances (AAA), subject to ratification at its forthcoming AGM.
Well fair to say he appeared at the AGM but because it is against the constitution for a AAA Chairman not to have a job in the industry he could not be made chairman. At the meeting he openly let it be known that he left after a disagreement over the recent award of a commercial contract for Clinical Governance with a group, EMSC Ltd., based in [east] London. The free option offered by Magpas in Cambridgeshire was sidelined.
Last edited by PANews; 25th Nov 2010 at 14:17. Reason: additional detail
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: London
Posts: 9
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
PANews,
Now I know you're a member of the press but you know (and I know that you know) that the 'free' option provided by MAGPAS isn't/wasn't 'free' as in the way that everyone else might interpret 'free'. Clearly the trustees of EAAA didn't agree with their CEO and voted to appoint a different organisation to provide their governance. I don't know them, but I doubt they went the way they did just to annoy Simon. Other charities in the vicinity also considered MAGPAS but didn't select them. and trust me, none of them are just persuaded by the magnetic personalities at EMSC.
If you have a point of view, say it. Don't hide behind innuendo and suggested hearsay. If you don't, please re-phrase your comments above.
Now I know you're a member of the press but you know (and I know that you know) that the 'free' option provided by MAGPAS isn't/wasn't 'free' as in the way that everyone else might interpret 'free'. Clearly the trustees of EAAA didn't agree with their CEO and voted to appoint a different organisation to provide their governance. I don't know them, but I doubt they went the way they did just to annoy Simon. Other charities in the vicinity also considered MAGPAS but didn't select them. and trust me, none of them are just persuaded by the magnetic personalities at EMSC.
If you have a point of view, say it. Don't hide behind innuendo and suggested hearsay. If you don't, please re-phrase your comments above.
Last edited by 206 jock; 25th Nov 2010 at 19:23.
I guess some readers will be scratching their heads wondering what the real subtext of this recently revived thread is all about. A few interesting snippets that might give you some feel for the situation
Cambridge News | Latest News From In & Around Cambridge City | Latest Sports, Jobs & Business News in Cambridge Newspaper | What?s in a name as Magpas teams clash
And
EAAA response to Magpas statement
And I particularly like this piece:
Magpas and EAAA Part Ways | TopNews United Kingdom
“We will go by road but we are going to lose patients and there will be people dying and losing their limbs and there will be people who don’t recover to a normal life as a result”.
I leave it to you to draw your own conclusions.
Cambridge News | Latest News From In & Around Cambridge City | Latest Sports, Jobs & Business News in Cambridge Newspaper | What?s in a name as Magpas teams clash
And
EAAA response to Magpas statement
And I particularly like this piece:
Magpas and EAAA Part Ways | TopNews United Kingdom
“We will go by road but we are going to lose patients and there will be people dying and losing their limbs and there will be people who don’t recover to a normal life as a result”.
I leave it to you to draw your own conclusions.
There is obviously a world class p!$$!ng contest going on here (Doctors offices and Charity Boards are two of the few places where you're likely to meet bigger egos than in a Pilot's crew-room) and Pprune is being used as one of the battle grounds.
I have no knowledge of either side of this over and above what i've read here (so no "knowledge" at all then!). There are, i'm sure, posts from well meaning people as well as posts from disingenuous ones.
Just remember that there are two sides to every story and i suspect that we're not seeing either truly reflected here.
OH
I have no knowledge of either side of this over and above what i've read here (so no "knowledge" at all then!). There are, i'm sure, posts from well meaning people as well as posts from disingenuous ones.
Just remember that there are two sides to every story and i suspect that we're not seeing either truly reflected here.
OH
Thread Starter
I did wonder whether to post this seperately but they are interlinked. Daviid Philpott is credited with saying the finances at HEMS Towers were under strain.....
An article published today on Helihub provides much financuial food for thought .... there is little or nothing I could add.... torpedo running ....
London’s Air Ambulance rescued by Banco Santander? | Helihub - the Helicopter Industry Data Source
An article published today on Helihub provides much financuial food for thought .... there is little or nothing I could add.... torpedo running ....
London’s Air Ambulance rescued by Banco Santander? | Helihub - the Helicopter Industry Data Source
Sorry PAN, maybe I am being simple, but what is your point? I can think of a few alternatives:
- That Mr.Philpott was naive in not spotting that he was joining a charity under severe financial strain? Was he duped? (I doubt this was your point)
- That he was specifically recruited to address the financial situation but then decided to concentrate on 'other matters'?(I doubt this was your point either, although it's pretty close to my understanding)
Or something else? It's pretty clear that you are a big fan of someone regularly referred to in this thread.
It may be worth referring to the very first post on this thread.....
- That Mr.Philpott was naive in not spotting that he was joining a charity under severe financial strain? Was he duped? (I doubt this was your point)
- That he was specifically recruited to address the financial situation but then decided to concentrate on 'other matters'?(I doubt this was your point either, although it's pretty close to my understanding)
Or something else? It's pretty clear that you are a big fan of someone regularly referred to in this thread.
It may be worth referring to the very first post on this thread.....
Thread Starter
Perhaps it should have been a new thread after all.
My thinking was that all the financial information relating to the Helihub article... the charity references.. the earlier declations that London HEMS 'would never be able to set up finance for a new aircraft' ... were all in this thread.
I believe that Mr.Philpott was well aware he was joining a charity under severe financial strain, indeed that was probably why he took it on as a challenge it just seems that there was a clash when the medicine was discussed [not prescribed].
As Helihub suggests, this air operation is uniquely 'challenged' when it comes to raising finance for the operation in a period when other HEMS operations are still able to find ways of making enough [and more] to support their "24/7" operation.
I need to ask myself when did I last see a Virgin HEMS collection box being jangled before me?
My thinking was that all the financial information relating to the Helihub article... the charity references.. the earlier declations that London HEMS 'would never be able to set up finance for a new aircraft' ... were all in this thread.
I believe that Mr.Philpott was well aware he was joining a charity under severe financial strain, indeed that was probably why he took it on as a challenge it just seems that there was a clash when the medicine was discussed [not prescribed].
As Helihub suggests, this air operation is uniquely 'challenged' when it comes to raising finance for the operation in a period when other HEMS operations are still able to find ways of making enough [and more] to support their "24/7" operation.
I need to ask myself when did I last see a Virgin HEMS collection box being jangled before me?
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: London, UK
Posts: 226
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
The helihub article isn't a comprehensive study across the uk - the first other air ambulance accounts i looked at had a recent 9% income drop.
I can think of at least one company who has put 3.5 million per year into a healthcare based charity in the UK. I don't see anything wrong with corporate fund raising which can give lucrative, lumpy and predictable income streams.
Diversity of sources is rarely a bad thing and the fund raisers i have met at larger charities have specialists who target each type. Other air ambulances seem to do well out of (slightly ironically) legacies.
I think the article's spot-on wrt mixed blessings of Virgin association.
I can think of at least one company who has put 3.5 million per year into a healthcare based charity in the UK. I don't see anything wrong with corporate fund raising which can give lucrative, lumpy and predictable income streams.
Diversity of sources is rarely a bad thing and the fund raisers i have met at larger charities have specialists who target each type. Other air ambulances seem to do well out of (slightly ironically) legacies.
I think the article's spot-on wrt mixed blessings of Virgin association.
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: London, UK
Posts: 226
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Some research work on governance from 'Cass Business School and the management consultancy the Compass Partnership' that might turn out to be of interest. Out in March, apparently:
Research will look into governance of UK's 500 largest charities
Research will look into governance of UK's 500 largest charities
Thread Starter
All's well in Whitechapel
In an article in the Daily Telegraph this week it is suggested that all is well at the London Air Ambulance........
Richard Branson’s Virgin Group has ended its long standing association with the London Air Ambulance.
The Board has decided to attract a significant number of lower-level donors as it attempts to increase overall funding.
In the year to March 2010, donations from charitable fundraising were around £1M. In the current year, that figure is expected to double to £2M.
A number of City firms have signed up to sponsor the air ambulance in place of Virgin. Aberdeen Asset Management, fund manager Artemis and accountancy firm Deloitte are the majors among a number mentioned.
Increased funding might allow an improvement in its services, including the addition of a second helicopter, running multiple teams and setting up a training academy.
To coincide with the increased funding LAA are now looking to recruit the charity’s first chief executive.
Richard Branson’s Virgin Group has ended its long standing association with the London Air Ambulance.
The Board has decided to attract a significant number of lower-level donors as it attempts to increase overall funding.
In the year to March 2010, donations from charitable fundraising were around £1M. In the current year, that figure is expected to double to £2M.
A number of City firms have signed up to sponsor the air ambulance in place of Virgin. Aberdeen Asset Management, fund manager Artemis and accountancy firm Deloitte are the majors among a number mentioned.
Increased funding might allow an improvement in its services, including the addition of a second helicopter, running multiple teams and setting up a training academy.
To coincide with the increased funding LAA are now looking to recruit the charity’s first chief executive.
