Dismissal at London HEMS
Hovering AND talking
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There is also rumoured to be the third totally separate non-charitable company that I mentioned above.
Medical Excellence Ltd
London's Air Ambulance Trading Ltd
Trauma.org Ltd
EMSC Ltd
However, these are all very small companies, two of which made losses and are hardly going to set the world alight. The two charities mentioned are also limited companies and these directorships have all been disclosed.
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Despite knowing plenty involved in UKAA flying. I have never been a fan of the fact that it is run by charity.
Maybe it will soon be time to get rid of the charity side of the business and get them properly funded and organised. Either run under the relevant ambulance trust or even more revolutionary joint emergency service helicopter units.
Maybe it will soon be time to get rid of the charity side of the business and get them properly funded and organised. Either run under the relevant ambulance trust or even more revolutionary joint emergency service helicopter units.
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SSS
Properly monitored and properly run charity air ambulances work very well.
The problem is that the number of people with the fund raising and people skills interested in the industry is finite and the number that will truly do the job for nothing is tiny. So money comes into obtaining the right people and attracts those that might be better off working elsewhere.... the funding stream allows for them to be paid without unduly affecting profit. Most
UK AA operations are financially comfy.
There are many instances of individual fundraisers simply runnng off with the money from time to time... but people steal all sorts of collecting boxes from pubs. The bigger the industry the more instances will appear.
As we have seen today in the stories of NHS funded 'properly' run Essex Hospitals faults can arise in the non-charity sector. It is not a perfect world and in that imperfect world there is room for charitable air ambulances, they are independent and appear to work better than similar commercial air ambulances in the US. Many of the US models are operated in the iron grasp of the hospital and the doctors.... they choose how the operation started and carries on. There the doctor often chooses the aircraft because the defib machine fits well.. ... the crews make it work in the sky.
In the Uk the Scottish Air Ambulance is tied into the NHS... the English and Welsh ones independent.... I think we could see that Virgin HEMS [and the police HEMS operations in Sussex and Wiltshire] sat in the middle when created .... NHS [police] money with a tiny charity input .... and has yet to make the transition to let the charity take up the slack that has appeared as the NHS funding diminished......
Perhaps we should stand back and understand that transitions can be very difficult....
Properly monitored and properly run charity air ambulances work very well.
The problem is that the number of people with the fund raising and people skills interested in the industry is finite and the number that will truly do the job for nothing is tiny. So money comes into obtaining the right people and attracts those that might be better off working elsewhere.... the funding stream allows for them to be paid without unduly affecting profit. Most
UK AA operations are financially comfy.
There are many instances of individual fundraisers simply runnng off with the money from time to time... but people steal all sorts of collecting boxes from pubs. The bigger the industry the more instances will appear.
As we have seen today in the stories of NHS funded 'properly' run Essex Hospitals faults can arise in the non-charity sector. It is not a perfect world and in that imperfect world there is room for charitable air ambulances, they are independent and appear to work better than similar commercial air ambulances in the US. Many of the US models are operated in the iron grasp of the hospital and the doctors.... they choose how the operation started and carries on. There the doctor often chooses the aircraft because the defib machine fits well.. ... the crews make it work in the sky.
In the Uk the Scottish Air Ambulance is tied into the NHS... the English and Welsh ones independent.... I think we could see that Virgin HEMS [and the police HEMS operations in Sussex and Wiltshire] sat in the middle when created .... NHS [police] money with a tiny charity input .... and has yet to make the transition to let the charity take up the slack that has appeared as the NHS funding diminished......
Perhaps we should stand back and understand that transitions can be very difficult....
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sss,
You may just swap one set of problems for another if you go for general government funding for the AAs. The heavy hand of central government is not well known for efficient and effective management of anything.
I am pretty sure that I have read somewhere that (unlike the other English and Welsh AAs) the London HEMS is already partly paid for by the NHS. Some sort of annual contribution but I am not entirely sure of that.
Do other AA charities have such close links with the NHS through A&E doctors, does anyone know?
Operationally, the relevant Ground Ambulance NHS Trusts seems to play a major role in deploying the AAs (and thereby spending the AA Trust charity cash). That too can have its problems. In the UK the (Ground) Ambulance Trusts have an 8 minute target to attend to 999 calls. I have heard suggestions that sometimes AAs are deployed to minor/trivial incidents to help keep the target figures "aligned". I am not sure the people who donate their hard earned would be happy with that.
More transparency might be nice
You may just swap one set of problems for another if you go for general government funding for the AAs. The heavy hand of central government is not well known for efficient and effective management of anything.
I am pretty sure that I have read somewhere that (unlike the other English and Welsh AAs) the London HEMS is already partly paid for by the NHS. Some sort of annual contribution but I am not entirely sure of that.
Do other AA charities have such close links with the NHS through A&E doctors, does anyone know?
Operationally, the relevant Ground Ambulance NHS Trusts seems to play a major role in deploying the AAs (and thereby spending the AA Trust charity cash). That too can have its problems. In the UK the (Ground) Ambulance Trusts have an 8 minute target to attend to 999 calls. I have heard suggestions that sometimes AAs are deployed to minor/trivial incidents to help keep the target figures "aligned". I am not sure the people who donate their hard earned would be happy with that.
More transparency might be nice
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What is Happening
Can anyone say whether any dr's and trustees being investigated yet? Does the charity commission know now what is going on and what are they doing about this? Does Virgin know about all this will they pull the plug on there sponsorship of the AA?
Is it true a dr uses the AA as his own personal transport to and from work and uses one of the fast response cars as his personal use, being left at his home for weeks etc! Does he charge them for petrol insurance tax whatever anything to make a bit more money?
This is the peoples charity and yes we still want it to be flying but not with any crooks working for it.
But in the mean time what is happening to Mr Philpott he must be devastated after working all this time for AA charities building them up to be thrown out of a job because he feels passionate about the job he likes to do. And just because he uncovered what these Dr's were doing.
Good luck to you Mr Philpott our thoughts are with you.
Is it true a dr uses the AA as his own personal transport to and from work and uses one of the fast response cars as his personal use, being left at his home for weeks etc! Does he charge them for petrol insurance tax whatever anything to make a bit more money?
This is the peoples charity and yes we still want it to be flying but not with any crooks working for it.
But in the mean time what is happening to Mr Philpott he must be devastated after working all this time for AA charities building them up to be thrown out of a job because he feels passionate about the job he likes to do. And just because he uncovered what these Dr's were doing.
Good luck to you Mr Philpott our thoughts are with you.
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The Charity Commission Knows, Virgin know, the NHS knows, the AAA know.
The allegations are out there in the various in trays.
I do not expect that Mr Philpot will be 'unemployed' for long.
The allegations are out there in the various in trays.
I do not expect that Mr Philpot will be 'unemployed' for long.
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PANews
Yes, allegations - but not yet proven. Your profile describes you as an editor/journalist (& ex police officer). Yet you have taken as gospel the information you have received while the above named organisations have yet to comment, as they are probably, and properly, investigating these claims. Your stance is hardly that of the independent/unbiased reporter. I am aware that there is another side to this story.
That rather depends on how long this takes to be resolved and what the outcomes from it are.
XAAfunder/gregryan/Princess Pushy/Dauphin Spotter
I wonder who you could be?
The Charity Commission Knows, Virgin know, the NHS knows, the AAA know.
I do not expect that Mr Philpot will be 'unemployed' for long.
XAAfunder/gregryan/Princess Pushy/Dauphin Spotter
I wonder who you could be?
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I can confirm that I have no connection whatsoever with those other names and I have no idea who they are.
I am a freelance researcher, with an aviation background, working for a London based company.
Which one? - you'll have to guess!
I am a freelance researcher, with an aviation background, working for a London based company.
Which one? - you'll have to guess!
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Guess away who I might be, however I am in no way related/connected to/same person as XAAfunder/gregryan/Princess Pushy......
However Princess P - you are so on the ball with those observations....I am impressed
Guess away who I might be, however I am in no way related/connected to/same person as XAAfunder/gregryan/Princess Pushy......
However Princess P - you are so on the ball with those observations....I am impressed
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902
We seem to have a different language.
Which part of 'know' and 'allegation' suggests a decision on my part on the guilt or otherwise of anyone?
You seem to have a preinstalled axe to grind.
We seem to have a different language.
Which part of 'know' and 'allegation' suggests a decision on my part on the guilt or otherwise of anyone?
You seem to have a preinstalled axe to grind.
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Regular readers will know that I have had my ups and downs with PANews in the past.
However, in this case, I back him up to the hilt. I have examined his posts carefully and he has not made any allegations. As a journalist, he has reported what he has heard, or read, and and is trying to find out what is going on.
It is very obvious from other posts that there may be some underhand, possibly illegal, activities that are going on which he is trying to expose. Good for him, that's what journalists do well in our democratic society. In journalism, it is often said that if you are digging deep and people are objecting, then you are close to digging up some dirt.
Keep up the good work PANews, keep digging and use the JCB if you have to.
However, in this case, I back him up to the hilt. I have examined his posts carefully and he has not made any allegations. As a journalist, he has reported what he has heard, or read, and and is trying to find out what is going on.
It is very obvious from other posts that there may be some underhand, possibly illegal, activities that are going on which he is trying to expose. Good for him, that's what journalists do well in our democratic society. In journalism, it is often said that if you are digging deep and people are objecting, then you are close to digging up some dirt.
Keep up the good work PANews, keep digging and use the JCB if you have to.
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Or, to put it another way Skidkid...
"If some readers aren't complaining and you ain't being threatened with gagging orders, libel action, etc, you ain't doin' it right."
At least that's how I was taught to be a Wordsmith
Dan
"If some readers aren't complaining and you ain't being threatened with gagging orders, libel action, etc, you ain't doin' it right."
At least that's how I was taught to be a Wordsmith
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I can assure you all I am not cloned!!
I understand that the Board of HEMS have commissioned an independent enquiry, however those in question of wrong doing are still in place and Mr Philpott is out there looking for a job!!!!!!
As to charity money funding the AA's do we really want a service that relies on Government handouts.......that could be shelved or suffer ‘cut backs’ at any time in the future. Tell that to the hundreds of patients that have benefited from the service.
Charities are governed by the Charities Commission, who's agenda is to ensure the public money donated is spent wisely! They have powers to reprimand and remove those in charge......... I am sure they are looking from afar and will take action soon. Shame they dont work in Whitehall...........
I understand that the Board of HEMS have commissioned an independent enquiry, however those in question of wrong doing are still in place and Mr Philpott is out there looking for a job!!!!!!
As to charity money funding the AA's do we really want a service that relies on Government handouts.......that could be shelved or suffer ‘cut backs’ at any time in the future. Tell that to the hundreds of patients that have benefited from the service.
Charities are governed by the Charities Commission, who's agenda is to ensure the public money donated is spent wisely! They have powers to reprimand and remove those in charge......... I am sure they are looking from afar and will take action soon. Shame they dont work in Whitehall...........
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aggreaved ex employees......
Hey,,,,,,less of the aggreaved ex employees,, this man has run succesfull air ambulances previous to his recent london posting, this man has nothing to hide and was brought in to sort out the charities problems, which he was achieving, until it got close to the bone of those in higher authority, amongst these are the trustees, and when muck starts rolling backwards, everyone dives for cover and they seem to flick this emergency switch and out pops this little bubble they can all hide in, thus the perpetrator of such damning evidence is forcefully removed and a cover up begins, everyone within the office is silenced and contact is forbidden,,, Ask yourselves this, why head hunt such a trustworthy man to sort out your problems?? when you know he is going to get to the bottom of any wrong doing within. Why bring back the predesessor whom probably knew everything that was going on above him and may or may not have a healthy interest in keeping quiet?? Private useage of charity emergency vehicles, helicopters, controversial payments to individuals within. Less of the aggreaved employeee next time....
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Enquiries
I understand from the SundayTelegraph that The Trustees are looking into it.... does that mean there Trustees are looking into these allegations does anyone know??? Why would they have there own people checking on what has been going on isn't that a bit odd don't you think. Or do they have someone from the outside world doing the investigating of these corrupt Dr's and a couple of the other trustee's.
I still cannot get my head around why this so called Chairman would employ Mr Philpott knowing how good he was at his job, did he not think he would ever get found out. Mmmm a bit odd I would say or do you think he wanted to be caught and then he could stop all this shananigans that has been going on all these years. Who knows I would love to ask this Dr for a response to some of these allegations, but he has been gagged (unfortunately not for real.) Shame
I still cannot get my head around why this so called Chairman would employ Mr Philpott knowing how good he was at his job, did he not think he would ever get found out. Mmmm a bit odd I would say or do you think he wanted to be caught and then he could stop all this shananigans that has been going on all these years. Who knows I would love to ask this Dr for a response to some of these allegations, but he has been gagged (unfortunately not for real.) Shame