Rio police helicopter shot down by drug dealers
Sit on it?
Ok, if you are flying in a hot zone and given a kevlar vest would you sit on it or wear it?
Also, these vests are usually in two pieces, so it is possible to separate them so you could sit on the front and wear the back.
If your benevolent, caring employer provided a few square meters of Dyneema plate (18kg per square meter) where would you have it installed?
Around the fuel tank?
or
in the belly panels?
Mickjoebill
Also, these vests are usually in two pieces, so it is possible to separate them so you could sit on the front and wear the back.
If your benevolent, caring employer provided a few square meters of Dyneema plate (18kg per square meter) where would you have it installed?
Around the fuel tank?
or
in the belly panels?
Mickjoebill
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Only hand guns are illegal; shotguns and rifles are allowed with licence.
If the average UK arsonist-scrote googles for his handiwork, he has to wait until page 2 before he gets to pprune - not sure they have that attention span.
Police helicopter attack
Silsoe Sid, I can see your point but is it reasonable that we should have our freedom to discuss an event curtailed because there is the distinctly remote possibility that a small faction of criminals could read it? That's starting to sound a bit nanny-state.
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If the average UK arsonist-scrote googles for his handiwork, he has to wait until page 2 before he gets to pprune - not sure they have that attention span.
Police helicopter attack
Silsoe Sid, I can see your point but is it reasonable that we should have our freedom to discuss an event curtailed because there is the distinctly remote possibility that a small faction of criminals could read it? That's starting to sound a bit nanny-state.
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Whirls
MJB,
I would think the most critical spot on the aircraft.....around my dangly bits!
There is no way to fully armour a light helicopter and get it off the ground....one can add some armour but then must trust in Providence or whatever protection those who are not believers believe in.
I would think the most critical spot on the aircraft.....around my dangly bits!
There is no way to fully armour a light helicopter and get it off the ground....one can add some armour but then must trust in Providence or whatever protection those who are not believers believe in.
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I can see your point but is it reasonable that we should have our freedom to discuss an event curtailed because there is the distinctly remote possibility that a small faction of criminals could read it? That's starting to sound a bit nanny-state.
I suppose you are right Whirlygig.
In much the same way that here on Pprune we don't seem to be able to link things like threads requesting sites for online flight manuals and recent attempts at stealing helicopters!
500e, do scrotes read the Indy?
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Sidney, you can't really put your hand on your heart and look me in the eye and state that you believe the cause and effect of publishing online manuals has a direct influence on the increase (is there really or just one but it's recent and therefore in our minds?) on helicopter theft?
That's taking Birkhoff's Chaos Theory to extremes
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Whirls
That's taking Birkhoff's Chaos Theory to extremes
Cheers
Whirls
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In much the same way that here on PPRuNe we don't seem to be able to link things like threads requesting sites for online flight manuals and recent attempts at stealing helicopters!
Sid, there's a long thread on the same page as this (at the moment) with links to online flight manuals: where have you been prevented from contributing? Don't forget that many manufacturers are jealous of their pricing structure for hard copy manuals, and make quite an effort to restrict online availability, so it may not be PPRuNe that is the culprit. I saw that eivissa's lists recently dropped Eurocopter products......
And the thread about stealing helicopters was still there when I looked, with contributions from you.....
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According to the guys who fly there, finding holes in the post flight is par for the course. These poor chaps had to be real unlucky to have an inflight fire such as this. RIP
With a lot of luck and a bit of application the problem will go away.
There was no big splurge of attacks when the Met retreated to Lippitts Hill when their Enstrom 28 was attacked at Elstree thirty years ago, neither when the Merseyside AS355 [G-BOOV] was attacked at Liverpool a decade ago. Pilots landing damaged helicopters under fire in Rio - nothing new... just this time the bullet appears to have disabled the pilot [and potentially started a fire] with worse results than usual.
In recent years numerous helicopters have been under gun fire in the USA, and pilots wounded, but the numbers brought down catestophically have been nil...
Altitude seems a common factor in safety.
For the UK scene in particular 'Risk assessment' seems a good term to apply in this case.... now the warnings are there ... as yet no-one has attacked a machine tucked away securely within a building. It could be said that Google Earth poses a greater threat than Pprune.... two of the attacked machines feature there even if the images are a bit ancient. The start was a local argument in Surrey... the newspapers [not Pprune] appear to have done the rest as far as putting the germ of an idea in criminal heads.
That aside, blaming the media, pprune, Google Earth and everyone else in the vicinity may not actually tackle the short term problem.
There was no big splurge of attacks when the Met retreated to Lippitts Hill when their Enstrom 28 was attacked at Elstree thirty years ago, neither when the Merseyside AS355 [G-BOOV] was attacked at Liverpool a decade ago. Pilots landing damaged helicopters under fire in Rio - nothing new... just this time the bullet appears to have disabled the pilot [and potentially started a fire] with worse results than usual.
In recent years numerous helicopters have been under gun fire in the USA, and pilots wounded, but the numbers brought down catestophically have been nil...
Altitude seems a common factor in safety.
For the UK scene in particular 'Risk assessment' seems a good term to apply in this case.... now the warnings are there ... as yet no-one has attacked a machine tucked away securely within a building. It could be said that Google Earth poses a greater threat than Pprune.... two of the attacked machines feature there even if the images are a bit ancient. The start was a local argument in Surrey... the newspapers [not Pprune] appear to have done the rest as far as putting the germ of an idea in criminal heads.
That aside, blaming the media, pprune, Google Earth and everyone else in the vicinity may not actually tackle the short term problem.
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I only know of two stolen helicopters in OZ, one in Port Headland or some other god forsaken joint over there in sandgroper country and one, more recently, which gathered quite some currency here on pprune and elswhere in these circles.
The first was in the early seventies, a '47, just slightly b4 PC's and other aids that may have helped the illicit spreading of this terrible flight manual proaganda.
It was stolen by a non national who had about two hours instructional time from his father country and made it as far as the nearest hangar roof, wherein he left one skid. The rest rolled up a few yards further on the other side of the shed.
The second, I don't think needed any of said propaganda for said pilot to discover and utilse his dexterity, and if there were others then I am happy to be corrected.
I have used the flight manual forum recently and sincerely thank the organiser of it to compare known types with lesser known types. I really think that if salesmen want to do some selling then the back of the next passing truck would be very good place for the next shovel full of really good propaganda to help advertise your wares.
Sitting by a telephone and awaiting a client is the best dead brain disease to afflict potent sales techniques that I know of.
Once again, thankyou
tet
The first was in the early seventies, a '47, just slightly b4 PC's and other aids that may have helped the illicit spreading of this terrible flight manual proaganda.
It was stolen by a non national who had about two hours instructional time from his father country and made it as far as the nearest hangar roof, wherein he left one skid. The rest rolled up a few yards further on the other side of the shed.
The second, I don't think needed any of said propaganda for said pilot to discover and utilse his dexterity, and if there were others then I am happy to be corrected.
I have used the flight manual forum recently and sincerely thank the organiser of it to compare known types with lesser known types. I really think that if salesmen want to do some selling then the back of the next passing truck would be very good place for the next shovel full of really good propaganda to help advertise your wares.
Sitting by a telephone and awaiting a client is the best dead brain disease to afflict potent sales techniques that I know of.
Once again, thankyou
tet
