Dodgy Russian chopper on Salisbury Plain

[jonesy1275]

Well not exactly. Its manufacture might be dodgy but at least its not the Warsaw Pact invading.









Cheers,
Jonesy.

[Jig Peter]

Dodgy ???

Not so dodgy manufacture - it's got a good reputation for sturdy reliability, I hear (but waddo I know ???).
What an eeeenteresting set of shots, though - food for thought, eh ?
Quick way for Mr. Brown to get more helicopters to our forces in the sand ??? If he can't get them from the US, why not from "elsewhere" ?

[Brilliant Stuff]

Cool.

Empire test school, innit?

[Horror box]

I especially like the blue smoke effect from the tail rotor.

[elro]

That blue smoke effect seems to be a break in the clouds to me

[Horror box]

That blue smoke effect seems to be a break in the clouds to me

Wahhhhhhh - No - do you really think so!!!! - Sorry couldn't resist.

[Aesir]

I disagree that there is anything "dodgy" about Mil helicopter manufacture. I would go back to flying Mi-17 anytime.

Cool pictures.

[Agaricus bisporus]

I suspect if Gordo produced a dozen of those for Afghanistan they'd achieve more work with better reliability, no mods required and vastly less maintenance than the ones we have now.

[Geoffersincornwall]

Mi 17 ????????

Great workhorses but not very sophisticated. Flew an Mi 8 Sim once - basic!!! Built to be dug out of a snow bank and started with internal battery. Unfortunately the port-hole windows are too small for escape and there is just one emergency hatch on the right hand side. Roll on to the left side with 20 pax and you have a tough job getting out alive. The external tanks mean they burn well.

G

[9Aplus]

Above> It is Mi8 MTV 5, TV3 engines

One nice set from our side, Island Hvar, Croatia two days ago
http://helifor.eu/heliblog
Posted on: 27.08.2009.
no 331. secondary medicine flight in 2009. Hvar, Smokovnik/Rudine helipad Hvar[/b]
Hats down to crew and supporting team
for only avaialble "HEMS" in 9A

[Doors Off]

Jonesy is correct, DODGY! Just look at those bendy twisty blades in 9Aplus's photos! DODGY

[9Aplus]

Yeah, but those blades performs better all around the world, on 1/3 price than
for examp. Merlins (AW101) and please remember they are not in Salisbury Plain just for picnic

[ARRAKIS]

There is quite a difference between a Mi-8T built some 40 years ago and a Mi-8MTV-5, so when talking about how bad or how good is a Mi-8/Mi-17, there is always a question, which one are we talking about.

Arrakis

[9Aplus]

Dear Arrakis not much and in this case this can be assumed like advantage .... and on my above pictures is Mi8 MTV-1 YOP 1992. (no turbine dust separators can lead you in wrong direction )

If you ask my people Mi 8T is more pleasant to fly and much less vibrations
on cyclic.

Recent Mi8 MTV modernization by Kazan as seen on MAKS 2009.
SAR version with life support, 300 kg hoist and glass cockpit with thermal
cameras integrated in system.

[ARRAKIS]

Dear Arrakis not much and in this case this can be assumed like advantage ....

Could you be a little more specific?
Personally, I have to disagree. There are some major differences, starting in the engine department, when you compare to the old TV2s and quite a choice of avionics, comparing to the old "Ts". Larger doors, and on both sides, if you need it, etc..
A few things won't change, like crashworthiness, but - ce la vie.

If you ask my people Mi 8T is more pleasant to fly and much less vibrations
on cyclic.

More power, much more power comes at a cost.

Arrakis

[9Aplus]

Dear Arrakis not much difference as basic flight model is the same and in this case this can be assumed like advantage like proven model for all weather all climates -40 / +50 C degrees operative.
Few doors, windows and ramp instead clamshell doors makes no much difference except during emergency.
And these main rotor blades are best proven blades in the world....

One recent story from South America is that "modern" Mi35 (upgraded 24 V) with state of the art composite blades can fly only before 8h in the morning after that sun is to strong, temp is up and blades are to low (Icarus efect )

[ARRAKIS]

yea...it's like saying not much difference between an UH-60A and an UH-60M, both being the same basic model.

I can assure you, that switching from a TV2-117 giving something like 1000 hp continous /1500 hp max power, to VK-2500 giving up to 1750 hp continous / 2700 hp max. makes quite a difference, especially in nice places like A'stan.
Unless for you "difference" would mean something like a NH90 or S-92.

One recent story from South America is that "modern" Mi35 (upgraded 24 V) with state of the art composite blades can fly only before 8h in the morning after that sun is to strong, temp is up and blades are to low (Icarus efect )

Mi-24 was never really a hot&high machine.

Arrakis

[MartinCh]

Never thought I'd say that, but this newer version of Mi-8 (in navy colours, above) with all the mods make it look less ugly - that's before seeing the glass cockpit and other gadgets inside.

I remember being kid and occasionally seeing them flying past, either Mi-2 or this one.
First thought - 'Wow, helicopter' followed by 'What an ugly machine' and went on daydreaming about Jetrangers. I wouldn't say no to fly either of them as long as it's properly maintained.

[volrider]

Those later pictures are amazing to see the transformation from how it looked it its earlier guise, nice cockpit and with TI as well, maybe an ideal replacement for West Mids Police EC-135P2 Which I believe burnt very quickly even without external fuel tanks....

[Thridle Op Des]

It's just a shame that they have committed the same 'sin' as Sikorsky on the S92 by reproducing round dials on an EFIS display otherwise very nice.