Helicopter collides with bus at Kai Tak
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Helicopter collides with bus at Kai Tak
Hong Kong, May 1 (DPA) Three people were reportedly injured when a helicopter crash-landed into a coach as it tried to take off at Hong Kong’s old airport site Friday.
The helicopter was taking off at a private flying club on the site of Hong Kong’s former Kai Tak international airport in the city centre Friday morning.
Witnesses quoted by government-run radio station RTHK said strong gusts of wind forced it out of the sky and it crash-landed into the front of a coach that was driving across the airstrip.
The coach driver and the two people on board the helicopter were injured and taken to hospital after firemen and emergency services rushed to the scene, RTHK reported.
Hong Kong’s old international airport, set in the middle of Victoria Harbour at the heart of the city, was decommissioned in 1998 when the new Chek Lap Kok airport on Lantau Island opened.
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R22 Crash in Hong Kong
R22 crashes just outside its home base at the Hong Kong Aviation Club. For years they've been landing downwind into a confined area 
. Three injured, according to local news (watch the video even if you don't speak the language):
aTV ????
Not surprising, given an indifferent attitude to the appaulling standard of training there as witnessed by the number of accidents in recent years.
Never train there - it's tantamount to suicide !
. Three injured, according to local news (watch the video even if you don't speak the language):aTV ????
Not surprising, given an indifferent attitude to the appaulling standard of training there as witnessed by the number of accidents in recent years.
Never train there - it's tantamount to suicide !
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Pretty strong accusations,
"Appalling standard of training as witnessed by the number of accidents in recent years"
What basis do you have for the appalling standard of training accusation... the "number of accidents in recent years"? Flying has dangers and there are accidents, but I would say Hong Kong has less than its fair share.. care to list the accidents (there aren't many)
I was trained there as a PPL and have since trained in a number of other jurisdictions (including professional licences in some of the biggest ICAO countries) and the training I received was some of the best I have had.
Yes the landing area is confined and sometimes necessitates a downwind landing (but not always... the issue is a uni directional landing direction due to obstacles), but you make this sound with your as if it was a prohibited manouver in a helicopter.
Many of the things that give helicopters their utility require compromise whether it is vertical take offs or downwind landings. A downwind landing requires careful management of yaw to prevent weather cocking as well as careful power management and assessment of Vortex ring risks.
It requires precise flying and that is why it requires a separate sign off to use the Kai Tak facility and why there are precise limits in the published club flying orders.
"Never train there - it's tantamount to suicide..." that's just plain stupid and frankly pretty offensive to a group of very decent instructors (no I am not one so have no axe to grind) who require under CAD regs 300 hrs of P1 time before they can teach....
"Appalling standard of training as witnessed by the number of accidents in recent years"
What basis do you have for the appalling standard of training accusation... the "number of accidents in recent years"? Flying has dangers and there are accidents, but I would say Hong Kong has less than its fair share.. care to list the accidents (there aren't many)
I was trained there as a PPL and have since trained in a number of other jurisdictions (including professional licences in some of the biggest ICAO countries) and the training I received was some of the best I have had.
Yes the landing area is confined and sometimes necessitates a downwind landing (but not always... the issue is a uni directional landing direction due to obstacles), but you make this sound with your
as if it was a prohibited manouver in a helicopter.Many of the things that give helicopters their utility require compromise whether it is vertical take offs or downwind landings. A downwind landing requires careful management of yaw to prevent weather cocking as well as careful power management and assessment of Vortex ring risks.
It requires precise flying and that is why it requires a separate sign off to use the Kai Tak facility and why there are precise limits in the published club flying orders.
"Never train there - it's tantamount to suicide..." that's just plain stupid and frankly pretty offensive to a group of very decent instructors (no I am not one so have no axe to grind) who require under CAD regs 300 hrs of P1 time before they can teach....
These Robbies show up in the darnedest of places!
Well, you wouldn't want an engine failure on final approach.
How do you embed the link?
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downwind, yet again
Reverseflight, (sarcastic right?)
This was supposedly on take-off, so what the f... does that have to do with down-wind approaches?
Why don't you make it your mission to make downwind-ops illegal, period? and end all this Madness.
I must be suicidal, after all what I'm doing all day long is to deliver all sort of heavy stuff on a 100ft longline into confines with winds from all over, hot/high..... also landing on, t/o from the pad/dolly with the wind straight up the @
Now, I got to find me those pills.....
btw, I have flown with some PPL's that would fly circles around some of the CPL's that I have exposed to
This was supposedly on take-off, so what the f... does that have to do with down-wind approaches?
Why don't you make it your mission to make downwind-ops illegal, period? and end all this Madness.
I must be suicidal, after all what I'm doing all day long is to deliver all sort of heavy stuff on a 100ft longline into confines with winds from all over, hot/high..... also landing on, t/o from the pad/dolly with the wind straight up the @
Now, I got to find me those pills.....
btw, I have flown with some PPL's that would fly circles around some of the CPL's that I have exposed to
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Well, you wouldn't want an engine failure on final approach.
Is that instructor wearing flying gloves? In 44? How very Hong Kong.
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Looks like a fun approach to me. Reverseflight are you an FAA trained pilot. I find a lot of FAA guys have this anti-downwind thing. They just dont get exposed to it in their training. Downwind patterns, downwind approaches and downwind quickstops should all be part of the FAA CPL syllabus. Just like on the JAA side. I make sure all my FAA CPL students are well up to par in these manuevers even if they dont get tested in them.
There are more than a few reasons why "into wind" landings are in vogue.
It has naught to do with the FAA system being "inferior" to the CAA/JAA/EASA or whatever you are calling yourselves this week.
Along with ensuring they are well versed in landing down wind and doing quick stop downwind....quick stop downwind....quickstop downwind.....go! I hope you teach them the advantages of doing anything but a downwind takeoff or landing.
Hang on....I am wrong....."Down Wind Quick Stop.....Down Wind Quickstop....Down Wind Quick Stop.....GO!
Don't all "Patterns (Circuits)" have a down wind segment?
It has naught to do with the FAA system being "inferior" to the CAA/JAA/EASA or whatever you are calling yourselves this week.
Along with ensuring they are well versed in landing down wind and doing quick stop downwind....quick stop downwind....quickstop downwind.....go! I hope you teach them the advantages of doing anything but a downwind takeoff or landing.
Hang on....I am wrong....."Down Wind Quick Stop.....Down Wind Quickstop....Down Wind Quick Stop.....GO!
Don't all "Patterns (Circuits)" have a down wind segment?
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Nubian, this was on approach not takeoff. At this time of the year you have tailwind at the landing site with only one permitted way in. When I checked the HK Observatory page yesterday maximum reported gusts not extraordinary (< 12 kts) for this location but definitely no walk in the park in the R22. There is a weather station at Kai Tak (reported in km/h):
Variation of Wind Direction and Speed
RTHK:
Variation of Wind Direction and Speed
RTHK:
A helicopter has crashed in a parking area at the old Kai Tak airport in Kowloon. Three people suffered minor injuries. The Civil Aviation Department has launched an investigation into the incident. The helicopter crashed sideways into a parked tour bus in a parking lot. The rear end of the helicopter was bent, and the front of the tour bus was severely damged. A pilot instructor said the helicopter was on a private flight. The crash took place about 100 metres away from the pad where it was supposed to land. The pilot, his young son and the driver of the bus suffered slight injuries.
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Runway,
From my English understanding, I understand it to be a.......Take-off (or more of an attempt really) Unless the original post has it wrong...
Now, I do have my fair share of Robbie hours and know what you can do with it if you take care and your time.
Cheers
Hong Kong, May 1 (DPA) Three people were reportedly injured when a helicopter crash-landed into a coach as it tried to take off at Hong Kong’s old airport site Friday.
The helicopter was taking off at a private flying club on the site of Hong Kong’s former Kai Tak international airport in the city centre Friday morning.
The helicopter was taking off at a private flying club on the site of Hong Kong’s former Kai Tak international airport in the city centre Friday morning.
Now, I do have my fair share of Robbie hours and know what you can do with it if you take care and your time.
Cheers
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Hey, calm down, guys.
To clarify, I am not FAA trained and have never held any FAA licence.
The Hong Kong Civil Aviation Department (HKCAD) will be publishing a preliminary report shortly so let's stop arguing about the facts now - I will post a link to the report in this thread for all to see.
Meanwhile, the HKCAD has directed the Hong Kong Aviation Club to shut down all its flight operations at the Kai Tak helipad pending the issue of that report. Go figure.
To clarify, I am not FAA trained and have never held any FAA licence.
The Hong Kong Civil Aviation Department (HKCAD) will be publishing a preliminary report shortly so let's stop arguing about the facts now - I will post a link to the report in this thread for all to see.
Meanwhile, the HKCAD has directed the Hong Kong Aviation Club to shut down all its flight operations at the Kai Tak helipad pending the issue of that report. Go figure.
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"One day maybe you will learn why."
I know good and well why to avoid landing/taking off downwind if possible but all I'm saying is that people should know how to do it properly and have at least practiced it in their training!! Does that not make sense?? I'm not saying that certain syllabus are better than the other, they all have their good and bad sides.
I know good and well why to avoid landing/taking off downwind if possible but all I'm saying is that people should know how to do it properly and have at least practiced it in their training!! Does that not make sense?? I'm not saying that certain syllabus are better than the other, they all have their good and bad sides.