PHI Nearly Loses Another S-76
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PHI Nearly Loses Another S-76
Things kinda quiet in the GOM about the near loss of a PHI S-76 with ten people aboard.
Landed short on a Deck, folded the starboard main gear and ended with the port side main gear on the wire netting.
The photos are startling!
Aircraft tail number was N729P.....and no FAA Preliminary Report seen at the FAA web site.
Anyone got more information on this one?
The accident happened on the Apache ST-308 on the 24th of this month.
Landed short on a Deck, folded the starboard main gear and ended with the port side main gear on the wire netting.
The photos are startling!
Aircraft tail number was N729P.....and no FAA Preliminary Report seen at the FAA web site.
Anyone got more information on this one?
The accident happened on the Apache ST-308 on the 24th of this month.
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I saw the pics, sitting on the belly, probably quite flyable again.
pics at:
2 on Flickr - Photo Sharing!
1 on Flickr - Photo Sharing!
pics at:
2 on Flickr - Photo Sharing!
1 on Flickr - Photo Sharing!
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Aiming Circles? We don't need no stinking Aiming Circles!
Mind you there was no mention of an engine failure or anything....perhaps a bit of near sightedness?
Mind you there was no mention of an engine failure or anything....perhaps a bit of near sightedness?
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The pilot was Maxwell Smart (Secret Agent 86), explained shortly after by a shoe 'phone call to the Chief of Control: "Sorry about that Chief, missed it by THAT much". 
Seriously, anyone know if the blades made contact with the deck under power? If so I then the repair bill would be a lifetime of pilot pay checks.
Seriously, anyone know if the blades made contact with the deck under power? If so I then the repair bill would be a lifetime of pilot pay checks.
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How could that happen? Easy enough, if you're used to flying 407s and you land it where you would land a 407. The S76 is just a little larger than a 407, and the main gear is just a little further aft than the rear of a 407's skid...
As for aiming circles, Apache wastes no money on unnecessary paint, or on anything else.
As for aiming circles, Apache wastes no money on unnecessary paint, or on anything else.
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Hi!
I think thi type of the aircraft have problem with the power. I am flying on the EC-155B with that problem also. the power some time not strong enought! so wen the aircraft on profile to land, it request very strickly to use the power. specially in the hot temperature erea.
I think thi type of the aircraft have problem with the power. I am flying on the EC-155B with that problem also. the power some time not strong enought! so wen the aircraft on profile to land, it request very strickly to use the power. specially in the hot temperature erea.
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Lucky? This guy should buy a lottery ticket !!
Who knows what happened here but either way judging from the safety of the armchair next to the hindsight couch, the aircraft is about 2-3 feet from toppling over backwards. Glad to hear no one got seriously hurt this time. 
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What is this "Flat Approach" profile used by PHI I am hearing about?
Why would one want to do a "Flat" approach?
Is not a steep approach with a slow forward airspeed with power carried throughout the approach better than a run in at speed and trying to time a flare type landing?
Where do we draw the line between a "Flat Approach" and "Hot Dogging" ?
Why would one want to do a "Flat" approach?
Is not a steep approach with a slow forward airspeed with power carried throughout the approach better than a run in at speed and trying to time a flare type landing?
Where do we draw the line between a "Flat Approach" and "Hot Dogging" ?
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I think 792P would be the correct N number. SASless may be slightly dyslexic. 
Some people like flatter approaches, some like steeper. Having seen the results of flat approaches over the years, I prefer steeper. I wasn't present on this approach, so I have no idea what the approach angle was. I do know that this isn't the first time a PHI S76 has put the main gear in the fence, though. Power was not likely the problem in this case. The S76A++ has the engines of a C, but the max gross weight of an A, and thus lots of power available. It may have the best power/weight ratio of any S76 variant, and I've never come close to running out of power in one, even in the summer.
Some people like flatter approaches, some like steeper. Having seen the results of flat approaches over the years, I prefer steeper. I wasn't present on this approach, so I have no idea what the approach angle was. I do know that this isn't the first time a PHI S76 has put the main gear in the fence, though. Power was not likely the problem in this case. The S76A++ has the engines of a C, but the max gross weight of an A, and thus lots of power available. It may have the best power/weight ratio of any S76 variant, and I've never come close to running out of power in one, even in the summer.