Hiller UH12c buying advice?
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From: USA
Buying a Hiller???
This is simple... there is no Hiller Support. We had a fleet of them and sold them due to no part support.
Watch out for the Drag Brace Pin, they crack and your tailboom will be cut by the M/R Blade.
Watch out for the Drag Brace Pin, they crack and your tailboom will be cut by the M/R Blade.
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Fly 7,
I'm sure he wouldn't want to spend the £5m all at once!
He was even thinking about going to Florida to do his training as it's cheaper..........don't ask!!!!!
Hope he 'looks' after his mates!
I'm sure he wouldn't want to spend the £5m all at once!
He was even thinking about going to Florida to do his training as it's cheaper..........don't ask!!!!!
Hope he 'looks' after his mates!
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From: Manitoba Canada
I wouldn't be too quick to write off the Hiller 12. They are to be built brand new in China in 2009.
Hiller (China) Aircraft Manufacturing Company was founded in 2007 with a total investment of US $80 million, 60% of which was financed by the Chinese. The joint venture will introduce the UH-12 series helicopter manufacturing project from the US-based Hiller.
The project is designed to manufacture 200 helicopters yearly with an annual output value of 2.6 billion yuan, and realized profits and taxes of 1 billion yuan.
China's first civilian helicopters to roll off production line next year - People's Daily Online
Some of the old timers swear by the Hiller 12. We all know the low cost of Chinese production so it will be interesting to see the prices.
If China mass produces them and considering they do not have our manufacturers liability costs , it could be a real bargain . I'm sure there would be a market if the price is right.
Arnie
Hiller (China) Aircraft Manufacturing Company was founded in 2007 with a total investment of US $80 million, 60% of which was financed by the Chinese. The joint venture will introduce the UH-12 series helicopter manufacturing project from the US-based Hiller.
The project is designed to manufacture 200 helicopters yearly with an annual output value of 2.6 billion yuan, and realized profits and taxes of 1 billion yuan.
China's first civilian helicopters to roll off production line next year - People's Daily Online
Some of the old timers swear by the Hiller 12. We all know the low cost of Chinese production so it will be interesting to see the prices.
If China mass produces them and considering they do not have our manufacturers liability costs , it could be a real bargain . I'm sure there would be a market if the price is right.
Arnie
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From: Norfolk
I recall the 12b's & 12c's we had as the most vibratory, slow and unpleasant handling of all the light helicopters I've flown, and also required enormous amounts of unscheduled servicing. It was a great day when we turned them in for 47's.
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From: OREGON, USA
.02 cents worth
the UH12E is a very reliable machine, and there are more PMA parts coming available on the market. There are several operators of the type that are committed to see the future stay alive for old machines, as there is currently no viable replacement available for the type of work in which they are typically employed. As for the Hiller China based efforts, time will tell if they can pull off building a craft that will pass muster with the FAA. There are some issues with the Hiller, but when compared to other craft, for utility work, none can come close except maybe the Bell 47.
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From: Chabanais, France
I don't think your friend's 5 million will cover the cost of putting a 'new' type of 12E on the British register, it won't automatically get a G reg.
Did my first 65 hours of rotary wing on the b and c at Middle Wallop, the best day was the last!
Did my first 65 hours of rotary wing on the b and c at Middle Wallop, the best day was the last!
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From: England
Hiller maintenance.
Vanguard helicopters at Henstridge maintain Hiller's although I think they are 12c orientated.
The 12c is a lovely machine but finding a maintenance facility could be hard. These guy's are in Somerset/Dorset and could be worth a shout for questions.
I think they also do Robinson stuff as well.
Thanks,
J
The 12c is a lovely machine but finding a maintenance facility could be hard. These guy's are in Somerset/Dorset and could be worth a shout for questions.
I think they also do Robinson stuff as well.
Thanks,
J
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From: uk
Ok, confession time !!!
www.007helicopter.com is mine for the last few years
To answer a few points made above:
1) Vanguard Helicopters do not actually do any maintenance, In fact I do not believe they are active as a company, ask Hillerbee.
2) I use to fly N780ND on a JAA with a type rating but now have a clean
FAA license as it was hassle to keep getting an annual revalidation.
3) Touch wood (exscuse the pun) It has been very relaible and inexpensive to maintain, The high costs referred to and lack of parts relate to the E model I think, I have had no problem getting parts from Fort Wolters in the US and there are many other sources.
4) I Agree it is not fast but that is not really the point, My Cirrus SR22 satisfies my need for speed and getting places quickly, the view from the Hiller is fantastic.
5) For a Hiller mine is relatively smooth, Or should I say less of a bone shaker than some I have flown.
6) I do not recall offering it for the price as above but am now keeping for ther time being as I have my FAA license.
7) Personal opinion I think it would make a great primary trainer, it has an excellent safety record. In the UK I guess as it is on the N reg you would need an FAA Instructor like Tim Price and you need permission from the Department of Transport which is a formality as long as you are the owner.
8) Needs to be hangared
In summary not a serious form of transport but a lot of pleasure for the sake of flying or going on local's
Duncan
www.007helicopter.com is mine for the last few years
To answer a few points made above:
1) Vanguard Helicopters do not actually do any maintenance, In fact I do not believe they are active as a company, ask Hillerbee.
2) I use to fly N780ND on a JAA with a type rating but now have a clean
FAA license as it was hassle to keep getting an annual revalidation.
3) Touch wood (exscuse the pun) It has been very relaible and inexpensive to maintain, The high costs referred to and lack of parts relate to the E model I think, I have had no problem getting parts from Fort Wolters in the US and there are many other sources.
4) I Agree it is not fast but that is not really the point, My Cirrus SR22 satisfies my need for speed and getting places quickly, the view from the Hiller is fantastic.
5) For a Hiller mine is relatively smooth, Or should I say less of a bone shaker than some I have flown.
6) I do not recall offering it for the price as above but am now keeping for ther time being as I have my FAA license.
7) Personal opinion I think it would make a great primary trainer, it has an excellent safety record. In the UK I guess as it is on the N reg you would need an FAA Instructor like Tim Price and you need permission from the Department of Transport which is a formality as long as you are the owner.
8) Needs to be hangared
In summary not a serious form of transport but a lot of pleasure for the sake of flying or going on local's
Duncan
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From: uk
Phil I recently did a week at Dutch Country Helicopters in Lancaster PA who operate some B47's and from what they told me it sounds like parts are really becoming scarse and very expensive to now operate.
This is my 2nd UH12C ( A glutton for punsihment) and I have had no real issues. I have only done about 100 hours in N780ND and so far only routine maintenance.
This is my 2nd UH12C ( A glutton for punsihment) and I have had no real issues. I have only done about 100 hours in N780ND and so far only routine maintenance.