Down Fall CHC North Denes
"With regards the concrete runway option, this would be poo-pooed by the local council as the runway is at points below sea level and this would pose a flood risk, there is talk of pad extensions also but again the council may poo-poo, if this is the case I believe chc would look at other options.
this along with the government now allowing brownfield sites to be used for housing, this would be a very profitable sale if it were to go ahead."
Now there is a thought flooding if concrete runway !! but not if housing Keep that thought in mind.
A quote worthy of HMG.
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Just to agree with SlyGuy and RW&B. ND operates their 16000 pa movements well despite the aged facilities and sometimes confounding CHC management. This little, undervalued, under resourced airfield could be a gold mine if the top brass in Aberdeen could see beyond the end of ABZ's threshold.
Positives - no opening hours restrictions, no fitting ion with fixed wing, no waiting for fuel, a lot less security hassles for crew and pax, hard working air and groundcrew, shorter flights and free parking!
Negatives - well it looks old and uncared for. It doesn't have an ILS but that is not necessary (see previous posts), it doesn't have a hard runway for the thankfully rare occaisons that it would be needed. Can't think of much else.
Positives - no opening hours restrictions, no fitting ion with fixed wing, no waiting for fuel, a lot less security hassles for crew and pax, hard working air and groundcrew, shorter flights and free parking!
Negatives - well it looks old and uncared for. It doesn't have an ILS but that is not necessary (see previous posts), it doesn't have a hard runway for the thankfully rare occaisons that it would be needed. Can't think of much else.
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a worthy point but houses can be raised the 1-2 mtrs above the sea level, at relatively little cost (stick a garage underneath it.)
wheras nearly the whole 37 acres would need raising for the runway option.
the question though has never been raised with the council, so we may never know
a worthy point but houses can be raised the 1-2 mtrs above the sea level, at relatively little cost (stick a garage underneath it.)
wheras nearly the whole 37 acres would need raising for the runway option.
the question though has never been raised with the council, so we may never know
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The issue of a concrete runway is more to do with rain water run off IIRC.
The caravans must just float away:
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The caravans must just float away:
PLANNING APPLICATIONS CLEARED BETWEEN 01-JUL-08 AND 31-JUL-08 FOLLOWING
DETERMINATION BY THE DEVELOPMENT CONTROL COMMITTEE
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DETERMINATION BY THE DEVELOPMENT CONTROL COMMITTEE
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06/07/0948/F
PARISH West Caister 3
PROPOSAL Re-development of site to form Motor Home, Caravan Sales and
Accessories with customer parking and offices
SITE Former CHC Scotia Heliport Base Yarmouth Road
West Caister Great Yarmouth, Norfolk
APPLICANT Beck's Motorhomes
DECISION
PROPOSAL Re-development of site to form Motor Home, Caravan Sales and
Accessories with customer parking and offices
SITE Former CHC Scotia Heliport Base Yarmouth Road
West Caister Great Yarmouth, Norfolk
APPLICANT Beck's Motorhomes
DECISION
APPROVE------------------------ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Combine Operations
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There are many who think that Bond made a huge mistake when they pulled out from Strubby and moved to Humberside.
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excellent well researched,
although!!
This permission was granted, using the buildings and concrete area, from the old bond termonal and pad, so no redevelopement required as per new build but just replacing old for new.
this incorporated the existing atc tower in the building, and rebuilding where the old hangar used to be with a semi permanent building.
And therefore gained permission fairly simply, although two councils had to give approval as the boundary between great yarmouth and caister parish, is three quarters the way along the carpark.
Rain water run off is achieved by a bank of around 2 degrees on the runway, and outfall would go to surrounding dykes system and not therefore an issue over the relatively small area the runway would cover, the already sodden land drains there now (below sea level remember)
although!!
This permission was granted, using the buildings and concrete area, from the old bond termonal and pad, so no redevelopement required as per new build but just replacing old for new.
this incorporated the existing atc tower in the building, and rebuilding where the old hangar used to be with a semi permanent building.
And therefore gained permission fairly simply, although two councils had to give approval as the boundary between great yarmouth and caister parish, is three quarters the way along the carpark.
Rain water run off is achieved by a bank of around 2 degrees on the runway, and outfall would go to surrounding dykes system and not therefore an issue over the relatively small area the runway would cover, the already sodden land drains there now (below sea level remember)
You chap are missing the point, runway or houses have footprint, No of houses + roads = fairly large footprint
10 helipads relativity small footprint and flood plain still there
10 helipads relativity small footprint and flood plain still there
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R, W & B sums N Denes up nicely but the long term future of the place is far from secure.
Last year I understand, CHC were going to build a hard runway to replace the current grass facility, but have now decided not to as it's not an economically viable project.
The construction of the new heliport/terminal at Norwich starts in March/April, it will be big enough to accomodate all of the Bristow AND CHC current and future contracts.
The Perenco contract lost by CHC, oddly enough, went to..... Norwich, it's been operated by a Belgian company with 2 AS365s seperately from the Bristow Operation with every indication that it's there for at least 5 years.
I doubt that mant of they rig workers "enjoy" having to go to North Denes rather than Norwich, in fact I'd wager that it's only those who live in the Yarmouth/Lowestoft area who see it as an advantage, the majority of the rest fly into Norwich anyway, so who wants to do that and then have a 30 mile journey to Yarmouth.
As far as weather and landing aids are concerned, there's simply no contest, Norwich has far better facilities and a far better weather record than Denes, a factor which all offshore customers look very closely at, although I do accept that painting the top of the lamposts on the road adjacent to Denes Rwy 26 approach dayglow orange is a unique idea and should be in the top ten for approach light replacements.
Denes does have it's own ATC service, but this is an extremely expensive luxury.
If CHC were at Norwich, the cost of the ATC/Navigational service charges would be significantly less than employing individual ATCOs at Denes.
The one thing Denes has going for it is that CHC own everything, including the smell of the dog crap which wafts over from time to time. They spend as little cash as possible on the place and keep it to the standards which will muster a pass by the CAA.
Good enough for CHC and this all leads to reduced costs in the short term, but when there are established and much better facilities elsewhere, which are also being improved, such as Norwich and Humberside, it seems ineviatable that CHC will be told by their customers that they have to operate from elsewhere or lose out to other companies.
Last year I understand, CHC were going to build a hard runway to replace the current grass facility, but have now decided not to as it's not an economically viable project.
The construction of the new heliport/terminal at Norwich starts in March/April, it will be big enough to accomodate all of the Bristow AND CHC current and future contracts.
The Perenco contract lost by CHC, oddly enough, went to..... Norwich, it's been operated by a Belgian company with 2 AS365s seperately from the Bristow Operation with every indication that it's there for at least 5 years.
I doubt that mant of they rig workers "enjoy" having to go to North Denes rather than Norwich, in fact I'd wager that it's only those who live in the Yarmouth/Lowestoft area who see it as an advantage, the majority of the rest fly into Norwich anyway, so who wants to do that and then have a 30 mile journey to Yarmouth.
As far as weather and landing aids are concerned, there's simply no contest, Norwich has far better facilities and a far better weather record than Denes, a factor which all offshore customers look very closely at, although I do accept that painting the top of the lamposts on the road adjacent to Denes Rwy 26 approach dayglow orange is a unique idea and should be in the top ten for approach light replacements.
Denes does have it's own ATC service, but this is an extremely expensive luxury.
If CHC were at Norwich, the cost of the ATC/Navigational service charges would be significantly less than employing individual ATCOs at Denes.
The one thing Denes has going for it is that CHC own everything, including the smell of the dog crap which wafts over from time to time. They spend as little cash as possible on the place and keep it to the standards which will muster a pass by the CAA.
Good enough for CHC and this all leads to reduced costs in the short term, but when there are established and much better facilities elsewhere, which are also being improved, such as Norwich and Humberside, it seems ineviatable that CHC will be told by their customers that they have to operate from elsewhere or lose out to other companies.