Close call for some tourists...
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Close call for some tourists...
Apparent T/R failure according to the link:
LiveLeak.com - Family taking a Helicopter ride they wont forget ..
LiveLeak.com - Family taking a Helicopter ride they wont forget ..
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Indeed it does... Engine runs down, yaws left, horn comes on... Successful auto, shame about the creased tailboom... At least they all walked away..
Pilot didn't do a good job after all
Should have read the link...
Pilot didn't do a good job after all
Should have read the link...
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It was SWP, the accident report is here: LAX99LA282
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It wasn't settling with power, it wasn't an engine failure, the pilot did not do a good job in any way, in fact the pilot made a very bad management decision.
He says he made a downwind approach for noise abatement, i can't see any buildings about, looks like plenty of room to manouvre.
In fact it looks like he totally misread the conditions, overpitched the machine and had a heavy landing.
Davyo7, you can hear and see the blades turning at full tilt, get your ears and eyes tested.
Bladecrack, indeed it doesn't, engine does not run down, nose yaws left, not in engine failure in a squirell it doesn't, successful auto, are you kidding???, look at the damage.
Davey07 again, pilot did a terrible job, please remove the clapping icon.
pilot statement confirms he is an idiot,
He says he made a downwind approach for noise abatement, i can't see any buildings about, looks like plenty of room to manouvre.
In fact it looks like he totally misread the conditions, overpitched the machine and had a heavy landing.
Davyo7, you can hear and see the blades turning at full tilt, get your ears and eyes tested.
Bladecrack, indeed it doesn't, engine does not run down, nose yaws left, not in engine failure in a squirell it doesn't, successful auto, are you kidding???, look at the damage.
Davey07 again, pilot did a terrible job, please remove the clapping icon.
pilot statement confirms he is an idiot,
Davy07
Review the video and read the accident report, which quotes the pilot:
"The pilot told Safety Board investigators that he had made his approach downwind due to noise abatement concerns and set it up with left turns in mind. He said he entered his downwind leg from offshore at 1,000 feet msl and airspeed of 110 knots, and gradually began to descend and slow his airspeed. As he neared the base to final turn point, he noticed that he had misjudged the winds in the area and he found himself "slower and lower than he wanted to be." He said that as he turned final at 75-100 feet agl, he perceived that he was in a settling with power condition. He said he immediately applied left pedal to turn the helicopter back into the wind, but the helicopter continued to descend, so he applied more collective and heard the low rotor rpm horn come on just before he contacted the ground. The pilot stated that the helicopter "hit hard" and sprang back into the air. He said he followed the left turning tendency of the helicopter with the cyclic and lowered the collective to get the helicopter back on the ground.
The pilot later told FAA inspectors that he "misjudged the winds, and ended up down wind, low and slow.
The pilot said that after the accident the winds were out of the east about 25 knots."
The only mention of an engine failure is on this thread!
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Review the video and read the accident report, which quotes the pilot:
"The pilot told Safety Board investigators that he had made his approach downwind due to noise abatement concerns and set it up with left turns in mind. He said he entered his downwind leg from offshore at 1,000 feet msl and airspeed of 110 knots, and gradually began to descend and slow his airspeed. As he neared the base to final turn point, he noticed that he had misjudged the winds in the area and he found himself "slower and lower than he wanted to be." He said that as he turned final at 75-100 feet agl, he perceived that he was in a settling with power condition. He said he immediately applied left pedal to turn the helicopter back into the wind, but the helicopter continued to descend, so he applied more collective and heard the low rotor rpm horn come on just before he contacted the ground. The pilot stated that the helicopter "hit hard" and sprang back into the air. He said he followed the left turning tendency of the helicopter with the cyclic and lowered the collective to get the helicopter back on the ground.
The pilot later told FAA inspectors that he "misjudged the winds, and ended up down wind, low and slow.
The pilot said that after the accident the winds were out of the east about 25 knots."
The only mention of an engine failure is on this thread!
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Deeper & Maxvne, you can see from Davy07s profile that he is a PPL so why don’t you tell him where he’s going wrong with out the sarcastic comments.
Now Im sure your both not bad guys but comments like that will stop some pilots from posting on here, asking questions and learning.
Now Im sure your both not bad guys but comments like that will stop some pilots from posting on here, asking questions and learning.
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Hope you don't mind D and M but I'm with the 'Tank'.
I too am a low houred PPL(H) and replies such as those that the Tank suggests I seize upon as nuggets.
You high hours guys sometimes provide comment and insight which keep me thinking for days - they are much appreciated.
Keep them coming.
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I too am a low houred PPL(H) and replies such as those that the Tank suggests I seize upon as nuggets.
You high hours guys sometimes provide comment and insight which keep me thinking for days - they are much appreciated.
Keep them coming.
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I don't fly anything.........but I was puzzled as to how an engine failure would end up giving you a ride like that.I figured that reduced engine output equaled reduced torque.Less torque should [In my mind.] have not started the rotisserie mode.
The last posts have made things much more understandable.
RJ
The last posts have made things much more understandable.
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And the winner is......
........Deeper!
You are correct. I began working for the same company shortly after said accident. The pilot was fired. Brutal winds on West Maui, however the pilot had been flying there for a long time and should have known better. It was probably tail wind/downdraft, as the wind coming up and out of those valleys and gulches does some pretty nasty stuff.
Most accidents can still be attributed to one thing.......pilot error. And, as in this case, it's normally the basic stuff that get's you.
So, yes, let's remove those bloody clapping hands please.
You are correct. I began working for the same company shortly after said accident. The pilot was fired. Brutal winds on West Maui, however the pilot had been flying there for a long time and should have known better. It was probably tail wind/downdraft, as the wind coming up and out of those valleys and gulches does some pretty nasty stuff.
Most accidents can still be attributed to one thing.......pilot error. And, as in this case, it's normally the basic stuff that get's you.
So, yes, let's remove those bloody clapping hands please.
