Interesting start procedure...
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RVDT,
In 35+ years of flying I cannot ever think of an occasion when it was neccessary for me to stand outside of the helicopter and start it.
We all have started, frictioned down and then got out but not as dipicted.
Now I am open minded so how about explaining the rational behind the need for the pilot not to "be in the seat" as you have stated.
As for the "the old days" and the NZ venison capture methods of operation that we should save for another thread and another day.
Fly and start safe
In 35+ years of flying I cannot ever think of an occasion when it was neccessary for me to stand outside of the helicopter and start it.
We all have started, frictioned down and then got out but not as dipicted.
Now I am open minded so how about explaining the rational behind the need for the pilot not to "be in the seat" as you have stated.
As for the "the old days" and the NZ venison capture methods of operation that we should save for another thread and another day.
Fly and start safe
It seems that many here do wonder why the person in the video is not seated in the helcopter during start and eager to pass judgement on that person.
It is not at all unusual to have a instructor montoring and demonstrating start procedure to students (seated inside) while standing outside on the left skid.
However in this instance my guess is that the person starting the helicopter is a A&P mechanic starting the helicopter and wanting to be outside to monitor either for leaks or unusual noise.
It is not at all unusual to have a instructor montoring and demonstrating start procedure to students (seated inside) while standing outside on the left skid.
However in this instance my guess is that the person starting the helicopter is a A&P mechanic starting the helicopter and wanting to be outside to monitor either for leaks or unusual noise.
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I cannot think of a scenario where the scene depicted is acceptable, but then I do prefer to wait for a rotor to wind down before hopping out, even without a brake. Each to their own I suppose but it's not the way I'd be doing it.
Aesir,
I hope your final paragraph is tongue in cheek. If an engineer wants to do a ground run and observe leaks, a pilot can usually be found nearby. Generally speaking, pilots can easily be convinced to sit in the seat and make the right noises - sometimes even using the aircraft...
For training up a pilot inexperienced on turbines or type (I've never had an ab initio student get into a 500/Jetranger/Squirrel but I'm sure it happens), a full and proper brief on the techniques and cautions of the start is much better than standing outside hoping to be able to rescue the situation if the engine starts to melt. I prefer to use this method followed by a taxi, shut down and a second start for reinforcement. Does run up an extra cycle, but it shouldn't go beyond the average.
Aesir,
I hope your final paragraph is tongue in cheek. If an engineer wants to do a ground run and observe leaks, a pilot can usually be found nearby. Generally speaking, pilots can easily be convinced to sit in the seat and make the right noises - sometimes even using the aircraft...
For training up a pilot inexperienced on turbines or type (I've never had an ab initio student get into a 500/Jetranger/Squirrel but I'm sure it happens), a full and proper brief on the techniques and cautions of the start is much better than standing outside hoping to be able to rescue the situation if the engine starts to melt. I prefer to use this method followed by a taxi, shut down and a second start for reinforcement. Does run up an extra cycle, but it shouldn't go beyond the average.
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Actually its probably safer to be doing what this guy did, I mean if it goes up in a ball of flame you can make a quick getaway 
. Imagine if your buckled in, door closed, pedals unlocked, you'd be toast, then you'd probably trip on yourself getting out the door giving your skull a good crack on the pad.
. Imagine if your buckled in, door closed, pedals unlocked, you'd be toast, then you'd probably trip on yourself getting out the door giving your skull a good crack on the pad.
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When in the mustering game used to start H-300 C's seated and then exit to check for oil leaks and to warm up the body near the exhaust (christ it used to get cold in the mornings) and once it was warmed up get back in strap up and then engage the clutch/rotors and away. Never started a machine like this bloke,,asking for trouble me thinks...
know a person that engaged the clutch on a 300 while outside and stalled the engine,,, didnt realigned the drag on the rotors, as a result on the restart and re-engage of rotors got ground resonance ( was in the machine this start) and the machine killed itself....LESSON learnt.
As some one said,that was a long start,,dont think that starter/geny is going to last to much longer
keep em in the green
know a person that engaged the clutch on a 300 while outside and stalled the engine,,, didnt realigned the drag on the rotors, as a result on the restart and re-engage of rotors got ground resonance ( was in the machine this start) and the machine killed itself....LESSON learnt.
As some one said,that was a long start,,dont think that starter/geny is going to last to much longer
keep em in the green
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starting up standing out side
there was a Jet Ranger in the red centre, that chopped the tail off from spinning on loose gravel, when the throttle was opend too quickly, the PIC was on the skids at the time.
This was around 10 yrs ago? they managed to replace the tail section, being flying ever since through out Victoria.
Just blows my mind hearing storys like this, just for the sake of 2 mins to belt up and prepare yourself for the job at hand.
This was around 10 yrs ago? they managed to replace the tail section, being flying ever since through out Victoria.
Just blows my mind hearing storys like this, just for the sake of 2 mins to belt up and prepare yourself for the job at hand.
