Donington : the heliport from hell ?
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Helis are used for a data link for the MotoGP
The data links & in car cameras for the GP are now don by ground pickup (the digital age) so only one heli for airborne camera now
The data links & in car cameras for the GP are now don by ground pickup (the digital age) so only one heli for airborne camera now
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To use that far end of the field will need the permission of the wife of the owner of a big white jet...... and she often flies on sundays (or will want to if she's told she can't 
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Whirly,
That used to be the case with analogue links but with the advent of CODFM digital links the more multipath (i.e. terain problerms) the better, you just put in more ground stations.
Also with a heli 'mid point' each car had to be selected as to which was required at the time and only a limited number of cars could be linked at one time, but with ground pickup you could in theory have every car available all the time (with sufficient ground channels)
So its the end of sitting at 3000' on the edge of vortex ring (I have done that a lot as an ITV Links engineer and PPLH)
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That used to be the case with analogue links but with the advent of CODFM digital links the more multipath (i.e. terain problerms) the better, you just put in more ground stations.
Also with a heli 'mid point' each car had to be selected as to which was required at the time and only a limited number of cars could be linked at one time, but with ground pickup you could in theory have every car available all the time (with sufficient ground channels)
So its the end of sitting at 3000' on the edge of vortex ring (I have done that a lot as an ITV Links engineer and PPLH)
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There are still some racetracks where it's still preferable to use a helicopter for the rebroadcast links. Whilst I appreciate ground links are used in many cases, they are not used in all cases; Oulton Park being one!
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Whirly,
I suspect that is more to do with legasy equipment that good state of the art technical practice, Oulton Park is a small flatish circuit which would very much suit ground pickup, and due to the type of races there does not require lots of cars available at once. However heli midpoint mat be cost effective which is not the case at Grand Prix level
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I suspect that is more to do with legasy equipment that good state of the art technical practice, Oulton Park is a small flatish circuit which would very much suit ground pickup, and due to the type of races there does not require lots of cars available at once. However heli midpoint mat be cost effective which is not the case at Grand Prix level
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To use that far end of the field will need the permission of the wife of the owner of a big white jet...... and she often flies on sundays (or will want to if she's told she can't ).
however if we just use the DHL stands for parking then that still gives a conservative minimum of 650m X 60m parking area and still have space for a GV to taxi from the western hangar to A10
Can then use taxiway B as a temporary heli runway for those requiring Public transport performance (could have 350m permanently available and 650 when the big white jet is gone) With approach and departure from the south (to the west of diseworth village) you can probably have 09R/27L in operation with little effect on jet ops on the main which is 230m from the heli runway and has a displaced threshold.
Any DHL aircraft in for the weekend (and there's usually one or two) can operate from the 120s stands at the eastern end of their building.
Biz jets can go on the Eastern Apron.
Now I bet some consultant ends up getting paid vast sums of money to do a 2 year project that ends up looking something like this
mystery financial Donington backer.......
Wouldn't be Bernie per chance?
Road link to Donny is a nightmare - worse than Silverstone prior to government road upgrade.......things need to happen soon on the planning permission front if suitable access to be achieved in time for 2010.
Then again Brands has previously 'won' rights to host f1 before improvements thwarted and race ended up back at Towcester!
All stinks to me....announcing it just before such a big celebration for Silverstone.....
Ecclestone loves F1, indeed he loves anything that generates him more 'F-ing' money
Road link to Donny is a nightmare - worse than Silverstone prior to government road upgrade.......things need to happen soon on the planning permission front if suitable access to be achieved in time for 2010.
Then again Brands has previously 'won' rights to host f1 before improvements thwarted and race ended up back at Towcester!
All stinks to me....announcing it just before such a big celebration for Silverstone.....
Ecclestone loves F1, indeed he loves anything that generates him more 'F-ing' money
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"If East Midlands have any business sense they will arrange a temporary road from the airport direct to the track"
Great thought but I bet security risk assessment (breaching the airport boundary etc...) would kill that idea before it was born.
Also - the 4x4 cross country taxi service would not be able to be charged at £90pp if it only took one minute (like it is from Turweston to Silverstone if you fly in tomorrow!)
Part of me is extremely happy that a certain angry Silverstone farmer whose land is crossed by the 4x4 route from Turweston will not be making a killing charging people to cross his land from 2010 onwards....hehehe! He may have to go back to .. er... farming for a living.
IMHO the close proximity of the motorway and East Midlands Airport are significant reasons for Donnington being chosen. Other main reason may just be wee mopheaded Warhol specs Bernie E trousering an enormous sum out of the deal.
SB
Great thought but I bet security risk assessment (breaching the airport boundary etc...) would kill that idea before it was born.
Also - the 4x4 cross country taxi service would not be able to be charged at £90pp if it only took one minute (like it is from Turweston to Silverstone if you fly in tomorrow!)
Part of me is extremely happy that a certain angry Silverstone farmer whose land is crossed by the 4x4 route from Turweston will not be making a killing charging people to cross his land from 2010 onwards....hehehe! He may have to go back to .. er... farming for a living.
IMHO the close proximity of the motorway and East Midlands Airport are significant reasons for Donnington being chosen. Other main reason may just be wee mopheaded Warhol specs Bernie E trousering an enormous sum out of the deal.
SB
A fixed wing aircraft as used in rallying and tour de france is an option, it can operate at up to 20,000ft.
Then a dedicated camera ship could operate as low as 750ft if considered safe.
If it could operate at 750ft would it be in the clear of traffic from the airport?
Mickjoebill
Then a dedicated camera ship could operate as low as 750ft if considered safe.
If it could operate at 750ft would it be in the clear of traffic from the airport?
Mickjoebill
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If it could operate at 750ft would it be in the clear of traffic from the airport?
I'm more than a little surprised by that question. I would think an aircraft operating at 750 feet, less than a mile out on the upwind end of the runway would definitely be in the way of departing aircraft.
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Silverstone RIP
So where do they propose to put the heliport at Donington Park? Less than 1/2 mile off the end of East Midlands runway and directly in line with it; Cat 3 ILS's and very busy.
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I have a feeling that the little builder he with the giant wife, is putting a shot just across the bow of the BRDC, if they started digging and building now this very minute and worked non-stop until the proposed day of the Donnington F1, they would not have that race track ready to accept the F1 circus, it needs new pits, new parking for the giant transporters, new carparks for us lot, in fact new everything........... Nope, it will not be ready.
Donnington is really only fit for "Tin Tops" and Motorcycles, but.. knowing how fond our little builder is of the green and brown folding stuff he will not put the money he already earns from the F1 in any sort of jepordy, my feeling is it will be with Silverstone for quiet a long time yet!
Peter R-B
Donnington is really only fit for "Tin Tops" and Motorcycles, but.. knowing how fond our little builder is of the green and brown folding stuff he will not put the money he already earns from the F1 in any sort of jepordy, my feeling is it will be with Silverstone for quiet a long time yet!
Peter R-B
Whilst Donington backer has bought the right to promote F1 in UK, nowhere in the deal did it say that it will be at Donington.
Champagne glasses filled, deal signed on table, then Bernie asks -
" So where are you planning to hold the F1 GP"
"Here at Donington!" says businessman.
"I will decide that, as I have to approve the track/facilities etc" says Bernie - "my team will be in touch Monday........"
Laughed my ***k off, Brands all over again.
Champagne glasses filled, deal signed on table, then Bernie asks -
" So where are you planning to hold the F1 GP"
"Here at Donington!" says businessman.
"I will decide that, as I have to approve the track/facilities etc" says Bernie - "my team will be in touch Monday........"
Laughed my ***k off, Brands all over again.
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Frank Williams is quoted today saying that he will only believe that a GP will happen at Donington when he actually goes there for a GP.............. get your smoke 'n' mirrors on eBay now.
Before Bernie buys them all up.
Before Bernie buys them all up.
