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SARH to Go
Yes to Afghanistan.
Still the sun tan is not too good in the south west so crab might like a top up trip to show him how much fun!!!!!!! the rest of the helicopter crews from all of the services are having (not).
Still the sun tan is not too good in the south west so crab might like a top up trip to show him how much fun!!!!!!! the rest of the helicopter crews from all of the services are having (not).
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Took some time but my letter back in 2006 worked!
See link to Send RAF SAR to Afghanistan letter.....
http://www.pprune.org/forums/militar...ghanistan.html
When you off CRAB??
Good luck to all those going, well done and keep safe.
http://www.pprune.org/forums/militar...ghanistan.html
When you off CRAB??
Good luck to all those going, well done and keep safe.
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I'm waiting to hear the excuses proffered by some to explain their inability to go.
Got to take the children to their tax payer funded educational establishment.
Got to take the chil.... bugger used that.
NECrab is unable to attend today due to a very nasty paper cut.
What an opportunity, now they can practice their CSAR techniques. Not to be missed or scorned. Off you go Crab, go on, stop dripping, you only need your log book and etcha sketch. Everything else will be provided. Enjoy.
I know, I'll never get to heaven. However, as an agnostic atheist I don't have much to worry about.
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Cover is provided – as a matter of routine in such situations – by RAF Lossiemouth and the HMS Gannet Royal Navy base at Prestwick.
Ah yes, a particularly brilliant piece of journalism from the Times. Some journo has read that the SARF is having to reduce from 5 to 4 crews per flight as a result of PR 08 (money saving measures) and that SAR winchmen are already doing tours in the 'Stan as medical team leaders in the back of Chinooks and put 2 and 2 together resulting in a sloppy 5.
Quite how having a SAR helicopter in province will stop soldiers being blown up by roadside bombs is a little difficult to conceive
Apart from the performance problems mentioned earlier, none of our engineers would be able to deploy as they have all been civilianised!
Hey, if the man says go, we go but it would be an indication of how desperate things have got and how little either the top levels of the military or the ministers actually know about SAR and its lack of relevance to CSAR.
Lost - that's something to be proud of - one S92 only able to operate on one engine and the other U/S in the hangar - what was all that guff about modern SAR being the way forward
As for SARH - if it is all civilianised then there will be no deployability at all (personnel or aircraft) - something else to consider eh?
Quite how having a SAR helicopter in province will stop soldiers being blown up by roadside bombs is a little difficult to conceive
Apart from the performance problems mentioned earlier, none of our engineers would be able to deploy as they have all been civilianised!
Hey, if the man says go, we go but it would be an indication of how desperate things have got and how little either the top levels of the military or the ministers actually know about SAR and its lack of relevance to CSAR.
Lost - that's something to be proud of - one S92 only able to operate on one engine and the other U/S in the hangar - what was all that guff about modern SAR being the way forward
As for SARH - if it is all civilianised then there will be no deployability at all (personnel or aircraft) - something else to consider eh?
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So reading between your line's Crab you wouldn't be happy going because you couldn't take your engineers with you
Ok we'll put that down in the book of excuses could be the first of many
Oh and please don't slag off the S92 you know what they say "people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones"
Ok we'll put that down in the book of excuses could be the first of many
Oh and please don't slag off the S92 you know what they say "people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones"
I'm with Crabb on this.
What's the point of sending out an SAR pilot on an SH job. He doesn't know the business, doesn't know the aircraft, he's just a liablity. He is more likely to lead to the loss of an aircraft and other more valuable members of the crew. If you are going to have to train him to do the job then you're just as well employing civilians. Dangle a twin turbine heli course, lots of hours and £30K tax free and there would be stacks of PPL(H) and hour-building CPLs queuing up.
What's the point of sending out an SAR pilot on an SH job. He doesn't know the business, doesn't know the aircraft, he's just a liablity. He is more likely to lead to the loss of an aircraft and other more valuable members of the crew. If you are going to have to train him to do the job then you're just as well employing civilians. Dangle a twin turbine heli course, lots of hours and £30K tax free and there would be stacks of PPL(H) and hour-building CPLs queuing up.
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Lost - that's something to be proud of - one S92 only able to operate on one engine and the other U/S in the hangar - what was all that guff about modern SAR being the way forward
And let's not forget that all the CG boys only got what the RAF technical advice gave them.As for the military SAR going to abroad it just shows how the country needs a complete civilian SAR setup so the people of the UK have a permenent SAR cover and are never let down again.
[quote]As for SARH - if it is all civilianised then there will be no deployability at all (personnel or aircraft) - something else to consider eh? /QUOTE]
Are you saying that if we have military SAR then all the assets can be removed from the country if required - and that's a good thing?????
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Crab said -
"Quite how having a SAR helicopter in province will stop soldiers being blown up by roadside bombs is a little difficult to conceive"
Don't think you'll be needing your SAR helicopter Crabman - From the BBC story -
"They will pilot transport helicopters serving British troops"
"Helicopters are a preferred mode of transporting troops in Afghanistan, as they avoid the risk of roadside bombs"
Ass and trash for you from now on, boy.
"Quite how having a SAR helicopter in province will stop soldiers being blown up by roadside bombs is a little difficult to conceive
"Don't think you'll be needing your SAR helicopter Crabman - From the BBC story -
"They will pilot transport helicopters serving British troops"
"Helicopters are a preferred mode of transporting troops in Afghanistan, as they avoid the risk of roadside bombs"
Ass and trash for you from now on, boy.
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I sit here, pissing myself laughing, imagining the conversations in various smoke free environments around the Crab SAR world.
Surely the opportunity to experience a real combat environment is a chance worth grabbing? Think of all the extra mullah.....and Mullahs.
On the other side of the coin the conversations in Sumburgh, Stornoway et al must be worth recording.
Surely the opportunity to experience a real combat environment is a chance worth grabbing? Think of all the extra mullah.....and Mullahs.
On the other side of the coin the conversations in Sumburgh, Stornoway et al must be worth recording.
Crab
Never mind, we will look after your patch while you are away.
Just like you look after some of ours after 2100hrs.(When you are serviceable that is.) Ooh. Got to be careful there haven't I? Our record is not so good at the moment with our new Italian speed machine!
Take care!!
3D
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I see Bristow are advertising for drivers. Go on, you know you want to. Just don't tell them who you are.
Never mind, we will look after your patch while you are away.
Just like you look after some of ours after 2100hrs.(When you are serviceable that is.) Ooh. Got to be careful there haven't I? Our record is not so good at the moment with our new Italian speed machine!Take care!!
3D
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I see Bristow are advertising for drivers.
Go on, you know you want to. Just don't tell them who you are.
Flaxton, had you any military experience at all you would know that you can't control the ground without ground patrols - therefore all the helis in the world won't stop the roadside bombs and suicide bombers. I've done ash and trash enough to know it is the most tedious experience in the world - I might not have been to the Stan but S Armagh in the 80s and Beirut still count I think
I think you'd be surprised how many SARboys would go without complaint but that doesn't suit most of the ignorant stereotyping that goes on here.
Lost - I think we establised fairly well that the MCA got what their much vaunted aviation consultant agreed to - the RAF technical advice was mostly ignored. The s92 is supposed to be better than the Sea King, it is after all brand new but seems to have as many technical issues as we do - hardly progress is it? I'm not going to defend our serviceability but those with broken S92's shouldn't gloat when the Sea King is U/S.
Nobody has been let down as no change to the SAR cover is going to happen - the piece is journalistic fabrication. If I thought you knew anything about UKSAR I might argue the pros and cons of mil SAR again but you don't and won't listen anyway.
Bootneck - just as well you're not bitter
3D - careful chap, the ARRCK have it on tape this afternoon from Brixham CG asking for a Sea King to attend a yacht taking on water because Quote' the new CG helicopter (139) isn't any good for this job' unquote - 13 Pob!!! And we'd have been first on scene but were stood down when the Torbay LB got there.
I think you'd be surprised how many SARboys would go without complaint but that doesn't suit most of the ignorant stereotyping that goes on here.
Lost - I think we establised fairly well that the MCA got what their much vaunted aviation consultant agreed to - the RAF technical advice was mostly ignored. The s92 is supposed to be better than the Sea King, it is after all brand new but seems to have as many technical issues as we do - hardly progress is it? I'm not going to defend our serviceability but those with broken S92's shouldn't gloat when the Sea King is U/S.
Nobody has been let down as no change to the SAR cover is going to happen - the piece is journalistic fabrication. If I thought you knew anything about UKSAR I might argue the pros and cons of mil SAR again but you don't and won't listen anyway.
Bootneck - just as well you're not bitter
3D - careful chap, the ARRCK have it on tape this afternoon from Brixham CG asking for a Sea King to attend a yacht taking on water because Quote' the new CG helicopter (139) isn't any good for this job' unquote - 13 Pob!!!
And we'd have been first on scene but were stood down when the Torbay LB got there.
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Bootneck - just as well you're not bitter
Moi? Not in the slightest, just enjoying my fertile imaginings.
I do have a serious question. Is it known whether this new edict will require you to convert to Chinooks, or are they going to send you out to bolster the junglies?
Moi? Not in the slightest, just enjoying my fertile imaginings. I do have a serious question. Is it known whether this new edict will require you to convert to Chinooks, or are they going to send you out to bolster the junglies?
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"I've done ash and trash enough to know it is the most tedious experience in the world - I might not have been to the Stan but S Armagh in the 80s and Beirut still count I think"
Glad to see you hold your fellow aviators in such respect. I do not think that the boys and girls on the ground are thinking the same way. As for over the water, you should not require the same amount of requalifying time. "Beirut", well the "waddi runners" had already cleared that issue before any RAF cab got anywhere near the land as it was a bit too far for anything except a Chinny and they had to refuel on the RFA.The RN were already operating from said ship. Still good try.
"I've done ash and trash enough to know it is the most tedious experience in the world - I might not have been to the Stan but S Armagh in the 80s and Beirut still count I think"
Glad to see you hold your fellow aviators in such respect. I do not think that the boys and girls on the ground are thinking the same way. As for over the water, you should not require the same amount of requalifying time. "Beirut", well the "waddi runners" had already cleared that issue before any RAF cab got anywhere near the land as it was a bit too far for anything except a Chinny and they had to refuel on the RFA.The RN were already operating from said ship. Still good try.
Crab.
Totally agree!!
13 pob?? No problem! 5 at a time, 2/3 drop offs somewhere, 1/2 refuels somewhere! Yes a great leap forward from the 61!
If you recall an earlier discussion, this was exactly what I said could happen. Remember "Ice Prince"?
And don't you think this worries us as well??? We are all here to provide a service to the British public. Only we are trying to do it with one hand tied behind our backs through the "expert advice" of someone from the RAF. We all know who that is!!!! I think the last comment from that person on here went something like.. "get on with it!!" Well that is exactly what we are trying to do!!
You may have beaten us there but we would have been able to get some great footage for the press to show how the premier SAR boys do it!!Before they go to the Stan!
Again, take care.
3D
the new CG helicopter (139) isn't any good for this job' unquote - 13 Pob!!!
13 pob?? No problem! 5 at a time, 2/3 drop offs somewhere, 1/2 refuels somewhere! Yes a great leap forward from the 61!
If you recall an earlier discussion, this was exactly what I said could happen. Remember "Ice Prince"?
And don't you think this worries us as well??? We are all here to provide a service to the British public. Only we are trying to do it with one hand tied behind our backs through the "expert advice" of someone from the RAF. We all know who that is!!!! I think the last comment from that person on here went something like.. "get on with it!!" Well that is exactly what we are trying to do!!
You may have beaten us there but we would have been able to get some great footage for the press to show how the premier SAR boys do it!!
Before they go to the Stan!Again, take care.
3D
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Crab,
It doesn't matter how much you try to cover it up we all know the expert advice came from the RAF and you said SAR would be better because of it. Do I really need to start quoting you again? And now your saying the technical advice was ignored - utter rubbish and you know it but another spectacular change of story by you! You're inconsistency is now becoming legend.
Why not just except the fact that you and your RAF collegues got the interim contract badly wrong like they did with the chinooks, nimrods and countless other MOD screw ups which costs the taxpayer a fortune!
It doesn't matter how much you try to cover it up we all know the expert advice came from the RAF and you said SAR would be better because of it. Do I really need to start quoting you again? And now your saying the technical advice was ignored - utter rubbish and you know it but another spectacular change of story by you! You're inconsistency is now becoming legend.
Why not just except the fact that you and your RAF collegues got the interim contract badly wrong like they did with the chinooks, nimrods and countless other MOD screw ups which costs the taxpayer a fortune!
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"careful chap, the ARRCK have it on tape this afternoon from Brixham CG asking for a Sea King to attend a yacht taking on water because Quote' the new CG helicopter (139) isn't any good for this job' unquote - 13 Pob!!! And we'd have been first on scene but were stood down when the Torbay LB got there."
Dont know why you were tasked in the first place........ It was a non event and the people never wanted to come off the yacht!
Just aswell you had your, oops sorry I mean, the CG pump with you though....
And we'd have been first on scene but were stood down when the Torbay LB got there."Dont know why you were tasked in the first place........ It was a non event and the people never wanted to come off the yacht!
Just aswell you had your, oops sorry I mean, the CG pump with you though....
Sad to see the in fighting here...shouldn't we be directing our fire against an incompetent Scotsman who has managed to reduce the military and coastguard helicopter scenario to a point where one big shipping incident offshore in the Channel...or an inland flood disaster could leave us unable to deploy enough capacity to do anything ?
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Crab -
Flaxton, had you any military experience at all you would know that you can't control the ground without ground patrols - therefore all the helis in the world won't stop the roadside bombs and suicide bombers.
I may not have any military experience but it is obvious even to me that they are talking about moving troops around by air to avoid having to travel on dangerous roads. I can't recall mentioning replacing ground patrols???
On a happier note, I think you would feel quite at home flying in Afghanistan - it's very similar to Rotorheads. Every time you poke your head over the ramparts, you get shot down by ignorant, ill-educated non-military types
Flaxton, had you any military experience at all you would know that you can't control the ground without ground patrols - therefore all the helis in the world won't stop the roadside bombs and suicide bombers.
I may not have any military experience but it is obvious even to me that they are talking about moving troops around by air to avoid having to travel on dangerous roads. I can't recall mentioning replacing ground patrols???
On a happier note, I think you would feel quite at home flying in Afghanistan - it's very similar to Rotorheads. Every time you poke your head over the ramparts, you get shot down by ignorant, ill-educated non-military types