Rescue 26 down?
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From: Sydney
As someone who has friends as crewies and SCAT paramedics, yes there are SOME (and they are the older/longer serving ones) who are difficult to deal with.
A lot of the 'issues' are deep seated from the days of Lifesaver, with some still holding on to the 'injustice' of the whole thing.
The bottom line was that the 412 fitted more of the criteria set by the Ambulance Service in regards to effective transportation of two patients. Lifesaver/Careflight simply could not compete with an Adelaide based organisation that had access to a fleet of all the same aircraft/parts. To this day Mr Badenham from Careflight still has an agenda some believe.
Its interesting the comment was made that those with 'big muscles and little brains'.
Not all SCAT officers have ego, but some do. Hence the alternate meaning of SCAT- (Silly C--ts Acting Tough).
A lot of the 'issues' are deep seated from the days of Lifesaver, with some still holding on to the 'injustice' of the whole thing.
The bottom line was that the 412 fitted more of the criteria set by the Ambulance Service in regards to effective transportation of two patients. Lifesaver/Careflight simply could not compete with an Adelaide based organisation that had access to a fleet of all the same aircraft/parts. To this day Mr Badenham from Careflight still has an agenda some believe.
Its interesting the comment was made that those with 'big muscles and little brains'.
Not all SCAT officers have ego, but some do. Hence the alternate meaning of SCAT- (Silly C--ts Acting Tough).
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From: Australia
Just another tick
Not sure where you got the idea that they were doing practice touch down autos from but it's the first i've heard about it. Besides the fact it is a prohibited manoeuvre in the RFM and against company policy I find this suggestion absurd to say the least. Noone who wants to remain employed for long does hover autos in a B412 just for giggles, or training or any other reason. That is why the professional outfits do regular sim training, so those emergencies can be practised without bending hard to come by airframes.
Having conducted hundreds of autos to the ground in various types and so far incident free i suggest that maybe your track record could be due to poor technique/ training and not an overrly dangerous manoeuvre as you have suggested.
Class Charlie
Something to think about regarding your comments.
I can think of quite a few reasons why CHC staff would not be falling over themselves to be part of the Syd contract.
1. Difficult client (plenty of posts on here to support that)
2. Low pay ( compared to offshore)
3. Expensive locality ( Sydney, nice harbour, try living there)
4. Dangerous/ difficult flying (SPIFR in Syd airspace/ EMS/ night work)
Yes that work is varied and can be rewarding but for some who are already on a pretty good wicket the change from a relatively stable/ cruisy offshore job is just not worth hassle.
Having conducted hundreds of autos to the ground in various types and so far incident free i suggest that maybe your track record could be due to poor technique/ training and not an overrly dangerous manoeuvre as you have suggested.
Class Charlie
Something to think about regarding your comments.
I can think of quite a few reasons why CHC staff would not be falling over themselves to be part of the Syd contract.
1. Difficult client (plenty of posts on here to support that)
2. Low pay ( compared to offshore)
3. Expensive locality ( Sydney, nice harbour, try living there)
4. Dangerous/ difficult flying (SPIFR in Syd airspace/ EMS/ night work)
Yes that work is varied and can be rewarding but for some who are already on a pretty good wicket the change from a relatively stable/ cruisy offshore job is just not worth hassle.
Last edited by LLSRC; 13th June 2008 at 00:08.
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From: N/A
ryanonline - Go grind your axe else where pal 
. Stop your crying and get over it.
I have seen a few CHC operations worldwide and they are pretty hard to beat. Lots of australians working for them worldwide and always very professional.
I do not work for them but i do work with helicopters and one thing i know is accidents happen no matter who your are.
The fact that such a large global operation has so few should be a good example on how good they are.
. Stop your crying and get over it. I have seen a few CHC operations worldwide and they are pretty hard to beat. Lots of australians working for them worldwide and always very professional.
I do not work for them but i do work with helicopters and one thing i know is accidents happen no matter who your are.
The fact that such a large global operation has so few should be a good example on how good they are.
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From: Downwind
Spanner
If the mods do that, then the thread will remain as it is, just closed.
If it stays open, other views may be permitted and who knows, a link to a report may be added for people to read it for themselves.
It's happened before y'know...
If it stays open, other views may be permitted and who knows, a link to a report may be added for people to read it for themselves.
It's happened before y'know...
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From: Everywhere but home
Ryanonline, I dont know where your gettin your info from but 22 was the aircraft at Goulburn the other day, and it wasnt an emergancy landing.
Lets just try and focus on the facts, instead of all this other sh1t thats gettin flung around.
Lets just try and focus on the facts, instead of all this other sh1t thats gettin flung around.
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From: Montreal
Anybody know what model 412 it was? Some "cognoscenti" ridiculed the media for referring to it as a "write-off". So I guess it must be back flying by now? I haven't seen Bell come out with any AD's as a result.
Why so quiet? We get more details of the Dubai 139 where posters risk getting flogged, or worse.
Why so quiet? We get more details of the Dubai 139 where posters risk getting flogged, or worse.
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From: Warm weather and cold Beer
Funny how CHC operate 12 EMS machines around the country and the only 2 that are constantly mentioned on here are the 2 Bankstown based machines, I wonder why that is?????
3-4 x VIC
1 x ACT
1 x WA
2 x QLD
4 x NSW
3-4 x VIC
1 x ACT
1 x WA
2 x QLD
4 x NSW
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From: My office.
Transmission mounts?
The latest rumour is that whilst in a hover about ten feet agl a severe vibration and control problems were encountered as a result the PIC dropped the collective resulting in damage to the skids and tail etc.
It's believed that the vibration and control issues were a result of a failure of one or more transmission mounts. Perhaps the other mounts let go upon impact?
Anyone in Wollongong spoken to someone with an american accent & wearing a Bell cap in the last week checking out the 412? My source is reliable but this is still difficult to believe. It's one of those things would don't want to hear. Has someone out there got more definative information?
I'm not having a go at the owner of that helicopter, it can happen to anyone, just be careful doing your daily if you fly a classic 412.
It's believed that the vibration and control issues were a result of a failure of one or more transmission mounts. Perhaps the other mounts let go upon impact?
Anyone in Wollongong spoken to someone with an american accent & wearing a Bell cap in the last week checking out the 412? My source is reliable but this is still difficult to believe. It's one of those things would don't want to hear. Has someone out there got more definative information?
I'm not having a go at the owner of that helicopter, it can happen to anyone, just be careful doing your daily if you fly a classic 412.
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From: Montreal
A 412 Classic with that kind of damage is a write-off. Yeah, with all due respect to Stir-crazy , Spanner90, and noncomabatant's opinions, we have gone from "no damage because the pilots were experienced" to "hard landing" to "significant damage". Tailboom gone, tranny out of its mounts, its all over, write-off. Must have been a wild ride.
Anybody got some pictures?
Anybody got some pictures?
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From: Australia
What crap!
So CareFlight and Westpac are immune to accidents/incidents? Hardly!
They had their fair share and more...some didn't even make publication.
!!!! the medical teams in NSW could do a LOT worse. They should be grateful they have a sound organisation like CHC flying them.
They had their fair share and more...some didn't even make publication.
!!!! the medical teams in NSW could do a LOT worse. They should be grateful they have a sound organisation like CHC flying them.
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From: My office.
Transmission mounts?
Dear zoomcage,
Can I take that as confirmation in regards to failure of the Transmission mount/s or are you tuned into a different VOR?
I was interested in the cause of the incident as I think most aviators would be, you lost me a little in your response.
Can I take that as confirmation in regards to failure of the Transmission mount/s or are you tuned into a different VOR?
I was interested in the cause of the incident as I think most aviators would be, you lost me a little in your response.
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From: Adelaide, Australia
Never knew their were so many rescue helicopters in NSW...
http://lakescan.customer.netspace.ne...licopters.html
Whats the paint on Rescue 26, im down in South Australia so have no idea, we see the SA rescue contract 412 everyday flying around its an awesome machine
Any word as to if its being repaired? Scary to imagine a bent 412
Simon
http://lakescan.customer.netspace.ne...licopters.html
Whats the paint on Rescue 26, im down in South Australia so have no idea, we see the SA rescue contract 412 everyday flying around its an awesome machine
Any word as to if its being repaired? Scary to imagine a bent 412
Simon