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FW, I agree, the time spent hunting for your first job is very stressful. Having just spent around £95,000 you are in a very odd position. I, like many others was very worried about spending all that money and none of the operators giving me a break.
Whether or not a good move, I applied for positions at the start of my IR hoping someone would recognise me early and I wouldn't have to wait so long without work. Looking back I was only waiting 5-6 weeks after I finished everything to starting my type rating for work, that time passed extremly slowly and I got very stressed. As it turns out it was for no reason as I had 3 offers of work within the same week. I was very lucky.
I never intended my post to give people false hope or to give people the impression that if you get an IR you are guaranteed a position. I believe that it isn't weighted in any direction, I was just saying that you need to assess all the options, work hard and network to give you the best chance of finding work. I never said there were no stressful times, or that it was plain sailing. Show me someone who isn't concered after spending that much money.
I'm not sure why you added the 3rd quote, just looking for some interview prep, working hard to give the best impression.
I wish all the people who are in the position I was in 7 months ago the best of luck finding work.
Wardy20 - I paid £43,000 for the IR and type rating last year (in the UK). I expect prices have risen since then though.
Cheers
Whether or not a good move, I applied for positions at the start of my IR hoping someone would recognise me early and I wouldn't have to wait so long without work. Looking back I was only waiting 5-6 weeks after I finished everything to starting my type rating for work, that time passed extremly slowly and I got very stressed. As it turns out it was for no reason as I had 3 offers of work within the same week. I was very lucky.
I never intended my post to give people false hope or to give people the impression that if you get an IR you are guaranteed a position. I believe that it isn't weighted in any direction, I was just saying that you need to assess all the options, work hard and network to give you the best chance of finding work. I never said there were no stressful times, or that it was plain sailing. Show me someone who isn't concered after spending that much money.
I'm not sure why you added the 3rd quote, just looking for some interview prep, working hard to give the best impression.
I wish all the people who are in the position I was in 7 months ago the best of luck finding work.
Wardy20 - I paid £43,000 for the IR and type rating last year (in the UK). I expect prices have risen since then though.
Cheers
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Potentially the costs could escalate out of control. For example you go away to the states do your JAA CPL, your not getting much change out of £45k. Back to the UK to do your initial twin IR call it £42k (and this is assuming no re-tests or additional training). Now hope and prey that CHC/Bristow/Bond are recruiting. Worst case - no luck there, at this point I may feel like 
. Now back up plan, back to the US to build up at least 50 additional hours call it £8000, next the instructors rating £9000 say £2000 to cover flights,food,accom
Total Cost = £106,000 !!
, you better hope you don't fail your next medical!
. Now back up plan, back to the US to build up at least 50 additional hours call it £8000, next the instructors rating £9000 say £2000 to cover flights,food,accomTotal Cost = £106,000 !!
, you better hope you don't fail your next medical!
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MOTS,
Like I said my post wasn't a 'dig' at you. I wore rose tinted glasses for quite some time. No doubt after a sales pitch from SOME schools those who aspire to join you will also be wearing those same rose tinted glasses. You didn't say it was easy or stressfree but to the aforementioned tinted glasses wearer it could sound nice and simple and your short wait could easily imply an almost guaranteed job offer from the NS big 3. All I've added is a little reality check, because of the huge risks involved, and you've now also already shown that you started the slow process of applying before the IR had ended
Financial costs for me of zero to CPL/FI ME IR were in the region of £117K, so I can still easily recall the stresses of job hunting.
Bottom line: IMHO
To get a ME IFR job as a P2 offshore, regardless of hours, requires all the determination and ingenuity you've now described, and also as you've added a measure of LUCK.
To get a ME IFR job as a P2 offshore with minimal (200-300 TT) hours requires even more LUCK.
Chances of getting an onshore (VIP,corporate,charter) ME IFR P2 job with low hours (sub 1000) almost nil. With minimal hours (200 ish) significantly less than nil.
Chances of getting any onshore SPIFR role with minimal hours and a new IR????? Better chance with the National Lottery.
Sadly thats just the way it is
In the current climate if a high risk is acceptable do the IR and keep your fingers crossed. If lower risk is preferable then go FI.
End of the day you pays your money you makes your choice.
Oh, and the third quote was there simply as there were about 5 weeks between the first two and the third
Like I said my post wasn't a 'dig' at you. I wore rose tinted glasses for quite some time. No doubt after a sales pitch from SOME schools those who aspire to join you will also be wearing those same rose tinted glasses. You didn't say it was easy or stressfree but to the aforementioned tinted glasses wearer it could sound nice and simple and your short wait could easily imply an almost guaranteed job offer from the NS big 3. All I've added is a little reality check, because of the huge risks involved, and you've now also already shown that you started the slow process of applying before the IR had ended
Financial costs for me of zero to CPL/FI ME IR were in the region of £117K, so I can still easily recall the stresses of job hunting.
Bottom line: IMHO
To get a ME IFR job as a P2 offshore, regardless of hours, requires all the determination and ingenuity you've now described, and also as you've added a measure of LUCK.
To get a ME IFR job as a P2 offshore with minimal (200-300 TT) hours requires even more LUCK.
Chances of getting an onshore (VIP,corporate,charter) ME IFR P2 job with low hours (sub 1000) almost nil. With minimal hours (200 ish) significantly less than nil.
Chances of getting any onshore SPIFR role with minimal hours and a new IR????? Better chance with the National Lottery.
Sadly thats just the way it is
In the current climate if a high risk is acceptable do the IR and keep your fingers crossed. If lower risk is preferable then go FI.
End of the day you pays your money you makes your choice.
Oh, and the third quote was there simply as there were about 5 weeks between the first two and the third
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CPL(H) cost today
... and for anyone interested, the latest price of a CPL(H) is £44,600 (ex-VAT) because that's what it's cost me up to today, the day I passed my skills test. [No need to congratulate me because I'm doing a fine job of that myself.] Fred doesn't come cheap, does he?!
TTT, 500 yrs?? really?
You wish. At least it's a full time pay for doing very little?
What more do you want? You can tell the girls you are an 'offshore helicopter pilot' and you get home every night and get a good salary, flying modern, reliable a/c
What more do you want? Some people are never happy!!
As for IR cost, for those of you not lucky enough to get the sponsorship, budget for 40k+ in the UK. Maybe the fuel cost thing will increase that.
You wish. At least it's a full time pay for doing very little?
What more do you want? You can tell the girls you are an 'offshore helicopter pilot' and you get home every night and get a good salary, flying modern, reliable a/c
What more do you want? Some people are never happy!!
As for IR cost, for those of you not lucky enough to get the sponsorship, budget for 40k+ in the UK. Maybe the fuel cost thing will increase that.
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So just out of curiosity, what are my odds of a North Sea job? Got about 800 hours total, 600 of that in the S76.
Would it be worth a it for a Canadian to try the Europe route, or just pray CHC Global starts hiring co-pilots sooner rather than later?
Would it be worth a it for a Canadian to try the Europe route, or just pray CHC Global starts hiring co-pilots sooner rather than later?
TTT, you have too much time on your hands. Fixed roster? You sure? See what I can do then.
As for salaries, anyone know if there is any truth in the rumour that Bristows want a 20% raise?
As for salaries, anyone know if there is any truth in the rumour that Bristows want a 20% raise?
