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[email protected] & searchlight attacks on aircraft (incl prison sentences on offenders)

Old 9th Oct 2008, 21:05
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Just want to give Abz pilots a heads up that some kids in Dyce are shining green [email protected] again . On your left hand side on final for 23 .
Old 10th Oct 2008, 11:56
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You couldn't make it up could you!!
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Old 10th Oct 2008, 15:51
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Hi all, just to say BBC news reports two 12yr old boys detained & reported in connection with the incident the other day at Aberdeen.
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Old 10th Oct 2008, 21:57
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The issue of Google Adverts for [email protected] has been raised in some posts here, which have been moved to an Admin forum in the hope of getting a response from IB. That's about the best that I can do, short of mentioning that I don't see ads these days, there are some excellent adblocker programs around for free

Please don't use this post to go OT about adverts, let's keep to the topic
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Old 30th Oct 2008, 13:47
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Oh I do hope these idiots one day decide to shine one on a british Apache then Apache can 'engage hostiles' with some 30mm and maybe a maverick to finish the job.

How much more of this stuff do pilots/bus driver/emergency services need to take?

I got [email protected] in my own home!

I really feel for people trying to help other/provide a service and on top all all the day to day grind they have [email protected] shone in their face that under certain circumstances could cause complete disaster.

Maybe all aircraft should be fitted with powerful [email protected] to [email protected] them back!
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Old 30th Oct 2008, 16:58
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I see Fleabay has now classified [email protected] pointers with a power output >1mw as dangerous goods and no longer allows the sale of them.Although this will not be the end of it, it may help a little,given that most of them are sourced via that method.

Good luck out there.
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Old 31st Oct 2008, 09:23
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How about getting organised ?

Whether you agree or disagree with the science bit, that damage to eyes can or cannot be caused by [email protected],
there is the potential for an accident to be caused by a pilot being distracted when having a [email protected] directed at them.

As has been well established it is a criminal offence to endanger an aircraft.

The Police pilots that have posted all seem in favour of going after the bad guys, but often don't get to hear about the "attacks", whereas ATC do. Some of these reports may get passed to local Police stations who may or may not know what to do about it.

So why not get organised ?

Why doesn't someone from every Police ASU contact the ATC for their region,
and ask that all reports of [email protected] attacks received by ATC are recorded and forwarded to them ?

This will probably build up a pattern of attacks ( specific time of day / location etc. ) that can be collated and used to track down the offenders.

.... or are some Police ASU's already doing this ?

How about it ?

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Old 31st Oct 2008, 10:10
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Can't speak for the rest, but London Stansted have an Essex police officer liaison officer to co-ordinate evidence of these 'attacks' between Police and CAA. Now that the big stuff is being targeted the CAA has become serious about this menace.

Police aviation has put up with this for years with offenders given a 'Caution' if admitting the offence. We are always a good target due to the mission profile of flying from A to B, hover at B for some time (often over large local authority estates during darkness) at around 1000', giving the local [email protected] enthusiasts plenty of time to take aim. Not a lot more we can do about it that we're not already doing.
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Old 31st Oct 2008, 11:22
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and if they cannot find aircraft to use them against there is always cars

Policeman blinded by [email protected] - News - Hertfordshire Mercury

Policeman blinded by [email protected]
By Web Reporter
A POLICE officer was partially blinded after a green [email protected] pen was shone into the car he was driving in Hertford.

The cop was in an unmarked vehicle in Ware Road when it is believed the offender flashed a [email protected] which hit the rear-view mirror and was reflected into the officer's eyes.

He suffered partial blindness, pain and discomfort to his left eye. He was treated by a doctor and the blindness subsided the next day, but he has since endured headaches that are thought to have been caused by the [email protected]

Investigating officer PC Ian Minnis, of Hoddesdon police station's area crime group, said: "This is highly dangerous and as we have seen, has caused injuries to a police officer.

"We believe that other drivers may have fallen victim to this and would urge them to contact us if they have any information on 0845 3300222."

# A 31-year-old Hertford man has been arrested in connection with the incident on October 17, 1.52am. He has been bailed until November.
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Old 1st Nov 2008, 09:15
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Any idea what offence he was arrested for ?

Some form of assault ? - as the Police Offcier was technically injured ( suffering pain & discomfort ),

or maybe a Road Traffic Act offence - there is one that is akin to the ANO offence of Endangering an aircraft, which is :

"Intentionally causing anything to be on or over a road so as to cause danger to road users" ( Section 22A(1)(a) Road Traffic Act 1988 as ammended by the RTA 1991 - I thinK ! )

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Old 1st Nov 2008, 19:22
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I am afraid not, should the papers reveal anymore I shall let you know.
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Old 8th Nov 2008, 10:10
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It appears to be nigh on impossible to get Google to block the [email protected] adverts, but a plug in is now running to change any input of "l-a-s-e-r" to [email protected] This will prevent the Google search picking up the dreaded word, and thus stop ads appearing.

Clumsy, but effective. Sorry it's taken so long
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Old 9th Nov 2008, 12:45
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Good on TO to sentence them for 6 months, but as we all know, they'll maybe do a month, possibly 2 at the most. Sky TV, 3 squares, Playstation, phone calls, ( 'uman rights you know!).
If it makes you feel any better Helimutt, they'll serve at least 3 months. Standard sentencing policy for custodial sentences under two years

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Old 10th Nov 2008, 00:57
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Are we exaggerating the problem?

Just an observation but last night just after 8.00 pm the [email protected] light show started as usual in HKG harbour. A CASEVAC Super Puma had just dropped a case off at Wanchai and lifted to return to base.

He then flew through the middle of the [email protected] light show. I quickly counted 19 [email protected] lighting up the sky.

He could have gone East and missed them all but it looks as though he considered the threat so low as to not make it worth while to add five minutes to the return flight.

Are we getting all primped up over this single hand held [email protected] thing, when it is demonstrably possible to fly through 19 higher powered light show [email protected]?
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Old 18th Dec 2008, 14:43
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I haven't got a clue as the to differences ( if any ) between the [email protected] used for public [email protected] shows / displays etc, which are designed so that the beam is visible to the spectators on the ground, and the [email protected] pointer type of device, where the higher powered versions - often purchased outside the UK, are brought into the UK and are used to target aircraft - particularly the emergency services.

There is an obvious difference in a pilot being aware of a light show, and determining that it is safe to fly through it / near it, and the case where a pilot might be operating at night and is SUDDENLY attacked by one of these things.

In the UK the CAA are obviously taking the matter seriously, and I have it on good authority that in the very near future the ANO will be ammended to make it a specific offence to shine a [email protected] or other bright light at an aircraft ( in flight ? ), removing the need to prove any sort of intent or persistence as in a case of "Endangering an aircraft"

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Old 18th Dec 2008, 16:32
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Good for the CAA. Just in time to make Rescue Flare [email protected] illegal.
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Old 19th Dec 2008, 08:18
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There isn't much difference between a 'display' [email protected] and a pointer, in that they both produce a beam of light. The technologies used may be different (pointers usually use a solid-state diode), and the output of a [email protected] designed for display is generally quite a lot higher. Consequently, display [email protected] tend to be much bulkier (the last one I worked with weighed about 60kg), and require very large, heavy power supplies.

In simpler terms, you can light a cigarette by holding it at the output of a display [email protected]; I'm yet to see a hand-held pointer that can do that!
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Old 19th Dec 2008, 10:09
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"In simpler terms, you can light a cigarette by holding it at the output of a display [email protected]; I'm yet to see a hand-held pointer that can do that!"

Unfortunatly the can.....

YouTube - Green [email protected] - Hulk hand held [email protected] - what can it burn???

Even worse, these idiots are modifying them! They take a hard drive [email protected] eye and replace the standard ones with very scary effects!
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Old 19th Dec 2008, 13:38
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oo-er...I stand corrected!
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Old 22nd Dec 2008, 21:50
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Intereresting to note, (Coconutty, 31/10) that the latest ATSIN 149 from CAA on 16th Dec, asks
"ANSPs to liaise with the local police force in order to establish the most expedient and appropriate means of contact between the ATS unit and the relevant police authority when a report of malicious [email protected] use is received."
We've asked local airfields to notify us directly so that we can build up an idea of hot-spots . . . & if we happen to be in the area, can at least expect the unexpected - before getting someone on the ground to nick 'em!

Wouldn't we all like to be able to morph into an Apache when this happens - although we have had reports from them when they've been targetted (& they haven't felt able to engage!) but no luck getting the offender(s) yet.

As others have suggested, it's not an easy business getting these little to&&ers but, at least now the jets are being targetted, the CAA are taking notice, not before time IHMO. Keep the dark visor down!!
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