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When Police Aviation News's Bryn Elliott raised the issue of UK MD902 parts shortages during MD's Heli-Expo press conference, he had his ass chewed off, was told that the question was "unfair," and warned that any further questions would be ignored.
June's copy of PAN should be entertaining...
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Parts failure and a hard landing.
I think the crew would have remembered a hard landing.
I remember a skid part fail on another YAS 902 while filming for the BBC helicopter series.
Are MAS/PAS be trying to get back at the YAS charity for going it alone on maintenance?
A hard landing in a 902.
I remember a skid part fail on another YAS 902 while filming for the BBC helicopter series.
Are MAS/PAS be trying to get back at the YAS charity for going it alone on maintenance?
A hard landing in a 902.
at the controls of the 902 trying to achieve?
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Praise has been heaped on the helpful souls of Angus who ensured an injured pensioner received urgent medical treatment. Scotland’s Charity Air Ambulance was called to Lunan Bay on Monday after an elderly lady badly injured her hip.
A thick sea haar had descended over the coast in the afternoon and the helicopter was unable to land on the beach where the woman lay stranded with her partner. The fog forced the crew to land in a field in Maryton — three miles from the beach — but the paramedics were rushed to the scene at the beach thanks to two good Samaritans. The helpers drove the ambulance crew to the car park at Lunan Bay where they met up with the road ambulance unit who were already treating the woman.
A thick sea haar had descended over the coast in the afternoon and the helicopter was unable to land on the beach where the woman lay stranded with her partner. The fog forced the crew to land in a field in Maryton — three miles from the beach — but the paramedics were rushed to the scene at the beach thanks to two good Samaritans. The helpers drove the ambulance crew to the car park at Lunan Bay where they met up with the road ambulance unit who were already treating the woman.
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Emergency services: air ambulance charities in crisis
Aggressive fundraising tactics and lack of regulation mean rescue helicopter charities are heading for collision
Emergency services: air ambulance charities in crisis | Society | The Guardian
Aggressive fundraising tactics and lack of regulation mean rescue helicopter charities are heading for collision
The truth is that air ambulances have been set up across the country with no overall planning, no agreed funding and no clear, bespoke system of regulation. As a result, there is an imbalanced patchwork of services, heavily skewed towards southern England, all relying to some degree on charitable donations but some receiving much more state support than others. Unsurprisingly, there are tensions and rifts.
Talks are due to take place Thursday to try to bridge a growing divide between the Association of Air Ambulances, which represents 14 of the 19 services in Britain, and the Air Ambulance Service (AAS), which operates two services, one for Warwickshire and Northamptonshire and another for Derbyshire, Leicestershire and Rutland. The AAS says it takes not a penny of state or lottery funding, and is critical of other services for doing so at a time when the NHS is under acute strain.
Talks are due to take place Thursday to try to bridge a growing divide between the Association of Air Ambulances, which represents 14 of the 19 services in Britain, and the Air Ambulance Service (AAS), which operates two services, one for Warwickshire and Northamptonshire and another for Derbyshire, Leicestershire and Rutland. The AAS says it takes not a penny of state or lottery funding, and is critical of other services for doing so at a time when the NHS is under acute strain.
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'Aggressive tactics' is not far from the truth. Although I am all for supporting what the charity AAs do, a bona-fide collector for my local AA knocked on my front door a few months ago, and I gladly reached for my wallet to give him some notes.
Oh no, he says, he wants my credit card and shoves a form at me wanting to sign up to a monthly direct debit for 20 quid minimum. When I politely decline, I get a 'well I hope you never have to call them sir' and the smile goes as he heads off to the next house
Oh no, he says, he wants my credit card and shoves a form at me wanting to sign up to a monthly direct debit for 20 quid minimum. When I politely decline, I get a 'well I hope you never have to call them sir' and the smile goes as he heads off to the next house
Interesting that those benefiting from running the service want an essential part of the NHS funded by charity and not the NHS. I wonder why. And why stop at Air Ambulances? I am sure cancer is emotive enough. Indeed why not let charity sponsor the NHS lock stock and barrel. And if it cant cope may be private companies would like to help. We could call it privatisation, or in politician speak reorganisation.
This all seems to be getting highly political and opaque, and when politics gets into medicine fingers get burnt and the patient suffers.
This all seems to be getting highly political and opaque, and when politics gets into medicine fingers get burnt and the patient suffers.
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One of the latest fund raising activities :
Join the Air Ambulance on their Rescue Ride Out!
The Rescue Ride Out is the Derbyshire, Leicestershire and Rutland Air Ambulance’s summer fund-raising run and you're invited to join in!
Setting off on the 18th August the run will see riders from all over the UK converging on the family-friendly Brackley Festival of Motorcycling.
One of a number of starting points throughout the country, Triumph’s headquarters in Hinckley, will host bikers from all over Leicestershire for the pre-ride registration, before heading off on a scenic ride to the Northampton market town of Brackley.
All riders are welcome to join the ride, which is scheduled to leave at 9am (registration from 8am), but must provide a £10 donation which includes entry to the Brackley Bike Festival and refreshments.
Online pre-registration is essential for all riders. Find out more online at theairambulanceservice.org.uk
See you on the 18th!
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Join the Air Ambulance on their Rescue Ride Out!
The Rescue Ride Out is the Derbyshire, Leicestershire and Rutland Air Ambulance’s summer fund-raising run and you're invited to join in!
Setting off on the 18th August the run will see riders from all over the UK converging on the family-friendly Brackley Festival of Motorcycling.
One of a number of starting points throughout the country, Triumph’s headquarters in Hinckley, will host bikers from all over Leicestershire for the pre-ride registration, before heading off on a scenic ride to the Northampton market town of Brackley.
All riders are welcome to join the ride, which is scheduled to leave at 9am (registration from 8am), but must provide a £10 donation which includes entry to the Brackley Bike Festival and refreshments.
Online pre-registration is essential for all riders. Find out more online at theairambulanceservice.org.uk
See you on the 18th!
It is a patchwork system. An NPAS equivalent would streamline the system and save the public millions in duplication and surplus staffing levels. Surely one day someone will grip this and bring it into line with most other international operators?
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Are you suggesting we work like NPAS?
A national service would mean units would operate to similar systems like NICE. oh you can't go to that one, it's not cost effective, let them die. It's happening up and down the country NOW.
At the moment the majority of charities do a great job, ours are excellent. Their priority is to provide the best service they can without politics. We all know the rogue charities, why should our service be compromised to improve them? Sorry, but national large organisations are inefficient and costly, 24 years military and seven with the police showed me that.
A national service would mean units would operate to similar systems like NICE. oh you can't go to that one, it's not cost effective, let them die. It's happening up and down the country NOW.
At the moment the majority of charities do a great job, ours are excellent. Their priority is to provide the best service they can without politics. We all know the rogue charities, why should our service be compromised to improve them? Sorry, but national large organisations are inefficient and costly, 24 years military and seven with the police showed me that.
I have to agree with TC
What matters is the size of an organisation not the territory it covers. A 'national' system would still be tiny - perhaps 150 employees and could save considerable sums
NICE is not a good example of a national organisation but a poor example of a government quango. Look at the medical royal colleges and you will see examples of national standards that are the best in the world - or were until the government replaced them with a quango called PMETB
The charities are to be commended for raising money and for altruism. They are not to be commended for audit or determining how best to medically use the resources because they have sadly failed in that quarter. That again will only come with a national system that is large enough to invest in research
What matters is the size of an organisation not the territory it covers. A 'national' system would still be tiny - perhaps 150 employees and could save considerable sums
NICE is not a good example of a national organisation but a poor example of a government quango. Look at the medical royal colleges and you will see examples of national standards that are the best in the world - or were until the government replaced them with a quango called PMETB
The charities are to be commended for raising money and for altruism. They are not to be commended for audit or determining how best to medically use the resources because they have sadly failed in that quarter. That again will only come with a national system that is large enough to invest in research
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I'd also have to agree with a national approach; but Jayteeto's concerns are valid. We'd need to heed the lessons learnt from NPAS. I also don't think that TAAS are the right people to be championing this.
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Homonculus, you hit the nail on the head. It was a good service, at least until the government changed it. That's why national doesn't work. I wasn't holding NICE as a national organisation to copy, just that they play God using value for money as a guide. Charities may not be medically efficient, but ours does not discriminate on grounds of VFM. That's why I oppose national and the public fill our collection tins.
The RNLI have also fallen prey to the myth of greater efficiencies using modern management-speak and tactics.
They decided that the contractors they were using for repairs to the lifeboats (especially composite materials specialists) were too expensive and that the process should all be brought in-house - trouble is their home-grown talent isn't very talented and suffers from the sort of British work-place malaise 'oh that'll have to wait until after tea break' that plagues many industries.
The result? They can't get the work done quick enough or to the required standard so the contractors have to come back and save the day again
They decided that the contractors they were using for repairs to the lifeboats (especially composite materials specialists) were too expensive and that the process should all be brought in-house - trouble is their home-grown talent isn't very talented and suffers from the sort of British work-place malaise 'oh that'll have to wait until after tea break' that plagues many industries.
The result? They can't get the work done quick enough or to the required standard so the contractors have to come back and save the day again
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Welsh Air Ambulance in fractured leg response
AMBULANCE services have explained why an air ambulance, as well as a road ambulance and a rapid response vehicle, were sent to an incident involving a man with a suspected broken leg. The helimed helicopter was called to the incident in Swansea's Victoria Park on Sunday afternoon, after reports of a man in his thirties believed to have suffered an ankle injury.
Victoria Park is 1000 feet from.....
Singleton hospital, a 550 bed modern hospital with 24 hour A and E and 4 consultant orthopaedic surgeons, 2 of whom specialise in trauma.
Morriston hospital is some 4-5 miles away. Less than ten minutes even if you stop at the red lights. 750 beds - one of the largest in the country.
We dont have traction splints on ambulances in general because they are not needed! Fractured legs are managed day in and day out by land ambulances. Even if there were risk to a blood vessel or nerve, the bloke could have been on the operating theatre next door before helimed could have got their frictions off.
With rubbish like this is it any wonder HEMS have a bad reputation amongst so many doctors.
Singleton hospital, a 550 bed modern hospital with 24 hour A and E and 4 consultant orthopaedic surgeons, 2 of whom specialise in trauma.
Morriston hospital is some 4-5 miles away. Less than ten minutes even if you stop at the red lights. 750 beds - one of the largest in the country.
We dont have traction splints on ambulances in general because they are not needed! Fractured legs are managed day in and day out by land ambulances. Even if there were risk to a blood vessel or nerve, the bloke could have been on the operating theatre next door before helimed could have got their frictions off.
With rubbish like this is it any wonder HEMS have a bad reputation amongst so many doctors.
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