North East UK Police Helicopter might be closed
So take it the CSO`s that they have just employed will be looking for another job. Last in - first out. Cant see them losing a helicopter and sacking all the cops whilst employing civvies. Think of the uproar.
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Reduction to one aircraft for NEASU
At great risk of returning to the thread:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/7324420.stm
Looks like a 50% cut.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/7324420.stm
Looks like a 50% cut.
Who would have crewed it seems immaterial now. Just wait until the scroats get to realise, - almost no immediate air cover! "Whoopee fill your boots!"
One of the most shortsighted Policing decisions in recent times. - They had good cover, but are blowing it! When they eventually have to recover the situation it will have cost them far more than they save. I just hope that the cost is in property and efficiency, and not in lives!
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One of the most shortsighted Policing decisions in recent times. - They had good cover, but are blowing it! When they eventually have to recover the situation it will have cost them far more than they save. I just hope that the cost is in property and efficiency, and not in lives!
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No doubt in a few years time, someone else will get promoted after another scheme to cut costs by greatly boosting efficiency.....by buying a helicopter. 
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As a founding member of the southern NEASU, I am very saddened to hear of this news! I can't recall how long it took to fly from the Northern point of the 3 counties, to the South, but I know it's a very long time. This seems extremely short sighted 'luddite' behaviour! But nothing surprises me any more under the penny pinching, short termism tax regime of this government!
As for that "smelly G-PASF", it was one of the newer ships way back when! I recall and flew, the even smellier (and of course smaller!) G-PASA.
(Is JM still at NEASU? - Many thanks)
As for that "smelly G-PASF", it was one of the newer ships way back when! I recall and flew, the even smellier (and of course smaller!) G-PASA.
(Is JM still at NEASU? - Many thanks)
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The comment from the ACPO man is a delight. If having a second helicopter makes no significant difference (as he is saying) why have they not resigned for wasting taxpayers money since the second machine was bought by them? They will say whatever suits.........
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So take it the CSO`s that they have just employed will be looking for another job. Last in - first out. Cant see them losing a helicopter and sacking all the cops whilst employing civvies. Think of the uproar.
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You are going for a bite aren't you.........?
No was a genuine observation, just think that these civvies would have been sold a job which quite clearly now doesnt exist. These lads probably gave up jobs elsewhere to go and work for the Police helicopter only to find now that the workforce and helicopters are slashed by half. Cant see the beanstealers even trying to put up an argument to keep them. The savings have been made by the loss of the helicopter and the subsequent necessary reduction in manpower. The experienced Cops will be kept. As I said earlier last in first out.
So take it the CSO`s that they have just employed will be looking for another job. Last in - first out. Cant see them losing a helicopter and sacking all the cops whilst employing civvies. Think of the uproar.
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You are going for a bite aren't you.........?
No was a genuine observation, just think that these civvies would have been sold a job which quite clearly now doesnt exist. These lads probably gave up jobs elsewhere to go and work for the Police helicopter only to find now that the workforce and helicopters are slashed by half. Cant see the beanstealers even trying to put up an argument to keep them. The savings have been made by the loss of the helicopter and the subsequent necessary reduction in manpower. The experienced Cops will be kept. As I said earlier last in first out.
Bubbler we only have one PCSO on line at the moment and like all the future guys he has a contract, the Police will no doubt get the shafting as they were going to be moved on anyway.. Lousy decision.
Tandem JM is still ill after his latest dink, he works for PDG flying the BO105 at Otterburn.
Tandem JM is still ill after his latest dink, he works for PDG flying the BO105 at Otterburn.
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Watch this space
As for the pcso s coming to NE asu , I will put good money the management will employ that frequently used "policy" of last in stays the longest.
Or if it suited them , last in first out.
Or he he knows least and argues lesser stays or vice versa.
Or in fact any combination of short term half arsed , lack of forsesight ,
make it up as you go, (Does my CV look good Jacqui?) policies. All of which at any time can be made/altered/deleted/noted/ignored to suit.
There is little doubt the present cost cutting being done with NE asu will ensure the experience gets binned and the inexperienced are retained, you all miss the vital word "CHEAPER".
Why on earth do you need a cop in a Police helicopter, why ?
I often question why the army dont employ railway signallers to be AAC forward air observers, it just makes good sense surely ?
We all need to think outside the box, and embrace the axe of modernisation sweeping across the countries Police forces.
Down&Merry
Or if it suited them , last in first out.
Or he he knows least and argues lesser stays or vice versa.
Or in fact any combination of short term half arsed , lack of forsesight ,
make it up as you go, (Does my CV look good Jacqui?) policies. All of which at any time can be made/altered/deleted/noted/ignored to suit.
There is little doubt the present cost cutting being done with NE asu will ensure the experience gets binned and the inexperienced are retained, you all miss the vital word "CHEAPER".
Why on earth do you need a cop in a Police helicopter, why ?
I often question why the army dont employ railway signallers to be AAC forward air observers, it just makes good sense surely ?
We all need to think outside the box, and embrace the axe of modernisation sweeping across the countries Police forces.
Down&Merry
Merrydown!
"Why on Earth do you need a cop in a Police Helicopter, Why?"
'Cos when you spend £4.5m of public money on getting the best kit you can buy, you have a duty of care to the public to get the best out of it! Thats why!
The Police Helicopter is predominantly a crime fighting tool. A police officer with several years of Policing experience behind him or her is better equipped to get the best out of that resource than any well intentioned but lacking in Police experience PCSO.
I have a relative who is aircrew in the services. He has over 3,000 hrs as an observer and in many ways would fulfill the role requirement. But he would be the first to admit that he is not suited to spotting the criminal from out of the crowd.
I say again these are expensive but seriously cost effective tools. But their effectiveness can be dramatically reduced if the crewing is not of the very best. Do you want to even risk, - not getting the best out of your huge investment?
Tigerfish.
"Why on Earth do you need a cop in a Police Helicopter, Why?"
'Cos when you spend £4.5m of public money on getting the best kit you can buy, you have a duty of care to the public to get the best out of it! Thats why!
The Police Helicopter is predominantly a crime fighting tool. A police officer with several years of Policing experience behind him or her is better equipped to get the best out of that resource than any well intentioned but lacking in Police experience PCSO.
I have a relative who is aircrew in the services. He has over 3,000 hrs as an observer and in many ways would fulfill the role requirement. But he would be the first to admit that he is not suited to spotting the criminal from out of the crowd.
I say again these are expensive but seriously cost effective tools. But their effectiveness can be dramatically reduced if the crewing is not of the very best. Do you want to even risk, - not getting the best out of your huge investment?
Tigerfish.
Merrydown,
Actually I did recognise the sarcasm and realised that I was laying myself open to being accused of "biting". But over the years I have developed a huge admiration for what you and the others have built up. It was arguably the best in the world. Certainly the best equipped, and the best organised and the best led ( At the front end ).
It's a pity that so many of todays ACPO are so blind to real value. It used to be said that accountants allegedly "knew the cost of everything, and the value of nothing" But today I fear that that sickness has spread. The butterflies of course will move on before their folly bites them.
Tigerfish ( Totally dis-spirited, brassed orf & ready to bite anything! )
Actually I did recognise the sarcasm and realised that I was laying myself open to being accused of "biting". But over the years I have developed a huge admiration for what you and the others have built up. It was arguably the best in the world. Certainly the best equipped, and the best organised and the best led ( At the front end ).
It's a pity that so many of todays ACPO are so blind to real value. It used to be said that accountants allegedly "knew the cost of everything, and the value of nothing" But today I fear that that sickness has spread. The butterflies of course will move on before their folly bites them.
Tigerfish ( Totally dis-spirited, brassed orf & ready to bite anything! )
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Are police helicopters a version of CCTV, but airborne. It then follows that anyone could be trained to carry out the observers role vis-à-vis CCTV operators who are invariably civilians. Leaving police officers to do what they do best, catch criminals and protect the public on the ground.
Are police helicopters a version of CCTV, but airborne. It then follows that anyone could be trained to carry out the observers role vis-à-vis CCTV operators who are invariably civilians. Leaving police officers to do what they do best, catch criminals and protect the public on the ground.
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I suspect that Fly for Fun must be a superintendent or ACPO.........
But just in case he isn't, a police helicopter should be FAR more than a flying CCTV. It is when crewed by police officers. If it were crewed by non-police officers then flying CCTV is exactly what it becomes
But just in case he isn't, a police helicopter should be FAR more than a flying CCTV. It is when crewed by police officers. If it were crewed by non-police officers then flying CCTV is exactly what it becomes
It is tempting to wonder whether getting rid of the fixed wing is not ultimately the problem at NEASU.
Many of you will know that the said fixed wing fell out of favour because it was regularly on extended maintenance.
An Islander problem no doubt, but generally speaking fixed wing though cheaper overall are more time and labour intensive when compared with helicopters for say an annual. Anyway that it appears was NEASU's perception.
Having rid themselves of the dead weight of the fixed wing they now have two pretty efficient [if expensive] helicopters doing 'twice' the work where [say] one and a half was sufficient before. Maybe that skewed the efficiency numbers and gave ACPO a cost effecive line that makes do with one?
Tin hat on...............
Many of you will know that the said fixed wing fell out of favour because it was regularly on extended maintenance.
An Islander problem no doubt, but generally speaking fixed wing though cheaper overall are more time and labour intensive when compared with helicopters for say an annual. Anyway that it appears was NEASU's perception.
Having rid themselves of the dead weight of the fixed wing they now have two pretty efficient [if expensive] helicopters doing 'twice' the work where [say] one and a half was sufficient before. Maybe that skewed the efficiency numbers and gave ACPO a cost effecive line that makes do with one?
Tin hat on...............
Once again we have allowed the fringe consideration of "who crews" to Hijack discussion away from the central thread, which was the reported planned reduction of air cover to the three County elements of Northumbria, -
( Newcastle ) Durham and Cleveland.
I understand that it is Northumbria who are allegedly the prime mover in proposing the reduction of two aircraft down to one, yet at the same time it is they that are insisting that the remaining EC135T2 is based at Newcastle International, - conveniently close to Newcastle itself. Cleveland on the other hand who support the retention of two machines, one based at Newcastle and the other at Teeside, will lose out badly when the second machine is withdrawn from Teeside. ( Or have I got it all wrong )?
Either way one machine will never efficiently cover the huge area encompassed by the existing consortium! It is pure folly.
Tigerfish
( Newcastle ) Durham and Cleveland.
I understand that it is Northumbria who are allegedly the prime mover in proposing the reduction of two aircraft down to one, yet at the same time it is they that are insisting that the remaining EC135T2 is based at Newcastle International, - conveniently close to Newcastle itself. Cleveland on the other hand who support the retention of two machines, one based at Newcastle and the other at Teeside, will lose out badly when the second machine is withdrawn from Teeside. ( Or have I got it all wrong )?
Either way one machine will never efficiently cover the huge area encompassed by the existing consortium! It is pure folly.
Tigerfish