NSW EMS sensitive spot?
Thanks Baffler
I personally have been landing a 18000 - 22500lb machine (with high ACN) for the last 9 years. On regional strips all around Australia and overseas, including paddocks, beaches, swampy ground school ovals etc etc etc.
Yep I have gone through a couple of surfaces but we are always ready for it, if it doesn't look sound you land carefully. Some places can't handle it with low PCN, so we land on the grass straight to a point away from the other acft we may damage or next to the apron. There is always a way to perform it safely and if there isn't you think laterally and find an alternative. We always do the job and do it safely.
The 139 will do the job and do it well. It is about time we got rid of the aging 26000+ hr 412's and get into some new toys. God forbid another type rating to do, we might have to get back into the books.
Times they are a changing, get on board or fossilise in the corner.
I personally have been landing a 18000 - 22500lb machine (with high ACN) for the last 9 years. On regional strips all around Australia and overseas, including paddocks, beaches, swampy ground school ovals etc etc etc.
Yep I have gone through a couple of surfaces but we are always ready for it, if it doesn't look sound you land carefully. Some places can't handle it with low PCN, so we land on the grass straight to a point away from the other acft we may damage or next to the apron. There is always a way to perform it safely and if there isn't you think laterally and find an alternative. We always do the job and do it safely.
The 139 will do the job and do it well. It is about time we got rid of the aging 26000+ hr 412's and get into some new toys. God forbid another type rating to do, we might have to get back into the books.
Times they are a changing, get on board or fossilise in the corner.
Riadbec
I didn't say it can land on the runways, I really said they would be able to find a way to operate safely.
Thinking more about it I have faith that the head honchos making these grand plans with decisions for acft types would be experienced aviation professionals, or at least have consulted them. They are probably a lot smarter than you or I.
Anyway, I had a look at ERSA and it turns out BK has bloody strong runways that will handle high tyre pressures and a fair bit of weight.
I think the rears on the 139 are a little hard but concessions are available.
It is hard but light so it should work into the numbers somewhere thats acceptable to all concerned.
Anyway it is a sexy machine, should give the crews some fun and after all thats the main thing. You have got to enjoy it.
I didn't say it can land on the runways, I really said they would be able to find a way to operate safely.
Thinking more about it I have faith that the head honchos making these grand plans with decisions for acft types would be experienced aviation professionals, or at least have consulted them. They are probably a lot smarter than you or I.
Anyway, I had a look at ERSA and it turns out BK has bloody strong runways that will handle high tyre pressures and a fair bit of weight.
I think the rears on the 139 are a little hard but concessions are available.
It is hard but light so it should work into the numbers somewhere thats acceptable to all concerned.
Anyway it is a sexy machine, should give the crews some fun and after all thats the main thing. You have got to enjoy it.
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Yes, a new machine should be good, although summer in one of the new CHC AW139's without aircon! I can't wait to hear some opinions.
Would you buy a new car without air con?
What page / paragraph of the tender document was the air conditioning requirement listed? Just something else the spin doctors will have to spin.
Would you buy a new car without air con?
What page / paragraph of the tender document was the air conditioning requirement listed? Just something else the spin doctors will have to spin.
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I'm sure the 139's will be absolutely superb in the inter hospital transfer role, and some rescue tasks, but for many primary medicals, such as MVA's and the like the niftiness of the BK, and to a lesser extent the 412, being able to get into tight spots will be lost when the 139's finally come on line. The ability to turn a narrow rural road, or roads in places like the Royal into a suitable LZ will be a thing of the past, which can only mean an increase in down the wire ops.
On that basis, any perceived speed benefit will be eroded by increased times to get the paramedics and doctors on the ground. Surely we still have a place in our network for a mixed fleet operation ? Horses for course as the saying goes - I think Lifesaver, Polair and Careflight all demonstrated that BK's perform very effectively in that role.
>>>Goes back to corner to hit head on wall in response to goverment bureauracracy - Second thought - Are Reba Meagher's grubby fingerprints anywhere near this ?
On that basis, any perceived speed benefit will be eroded by increased times to get the paramedics and doctors on the ground. Surely we still have a place in our network for a mixed fleet operation ? Horses for course as the saying goes - I think Lifesaver, Polair and Careflight all demonstrated that BK's perform very effectively in that role.
>>>Goes back to corner to hit head on wall in response to goverment bureauracracy - Second thought - Are Reba Meagher's grubby fingerprints anywhere near this ?
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Out of context
IGOR13,
Sorry about that - misread your last post
The 139's appear to be a fantastic machine from all accounts. As for the airconditioning aspect (recently raised) - My source tells me that some of the Wollongong pilots are are worried that their machine won't have airconditioning - not so much from a comfort point of view - something to do with avionics. Any clues?
Sorry about that - misread your last post
The 139's appear to be a fantastic machine from all accounts. As for the airconditioning aspect (recently raised) - My source tells me that some of the Wollongong pilots are are worried that their machine won't have airconditioning - not so much from a comfort point of view - something to do with avionics. Any clues?
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EC145 air con.
http://www.military.com/NewsContent/...ESRC=dod-bz.nl
Interesting link re. EC145 air con. issues.
Some cool videos on this site also.
Stay safe folks
Interesting link re. EC145 air con. issues.
Some cool videos on this site also.
Stay safe folks
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food for thought
Through my consultation with the ERSA Airport pavements are rated in gross aircraft weight and psi of tyres, Bankstown gross weight is 20000kgs with a max psi of 152, the 139 has a tyre psi of 252/ wollongong airport is rated to 145 psi but as you all have indicated I am sure these issues have been addressed in the planning for the new aircraft.
Not being a driver, if anyone has any other information...
Not being a driver, if anyone has any other information...
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the whisper is
That the ASNSW were not given any extra money to commence 24hr ops at the gong so they had to find some money so they looked at what could be taken off the 139 and still be operational and that was the Aircon I guess with enough industrial pressure from the paramedics they may the first to retro fit aircon in a 139 if it is possible....the first one goes to the gong anyway...I guess if they are prepared to except sub standard accom they will except anything
anyone have any whispers to add???
anyone have any whispers to add???
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Legal for what?
Admissable in a court of law - not likely.
Publishable by the media - in some circumstances it could be argued that it would be in the public good.
That way be dragons
TK
Admissable in a court of law - not likely.
Publishable by the media - in some circumstances it could be argued that it would be in the public good.
That way be dragons
TK
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Riadbec, I assume we're talking NSW here......... If the tapes/recordings were made without the informed consent (ie the other party/parties were aware of the conversation being recorded and consented), then make sure you're fingerprints and other indentifying info is no where near them! And if there were only two or three people in the room anyways, well it narrows it down if PC Plod comes a calling!
See NSW Listening Devices Act 1984.
www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/nsw/consol_act/lda1984181/
There are a very limited number of legal justifications for covert recording, but these are very narrow and you'd be paying a barrister good $$$ to weasel a way out for most purposes. And public interest is certainly not a defence to illegal recordings - Be aware that this is not an administrative offence - It carries up to 2 years in the bin, so be very careful if anyone was going down this path, well intentioned or otherwise! However if the info obtained was used to leak leads and pointers to journos, well that may be safer for your friend! It is a large can of worms that would be opened.
See NSW Listening Devices Act 1984.
www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/nsw/consol_act/lda1984181/
There are a very limited number of legal justifications for covert recording, but these are very narrow and you'd be paying a barrister good $$$ to weasel a way out for most purposes. And public interest is certainly not a defence to illegal recordings - Be aware that this is not an administrative offence - It carries up to 2 years in the bin, so be very careful if anyone was going down this path, well intentioned or otherwise! However if the info obtained was used to leak leads and pointers to journos, well that may be safer for your friend! It is a large can of worms that would be opened.
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Riabec Cowboy up
As Lum stated:
It is illegal Recording conversations by means of a listening device is an offence under the Listening Devices Act 1984 (NSW) unless both parties consent.
You started this ****, if I remember correctly lemon man now running scared because you let the cat out of the bag, welcome back from leave anyway. How does your voice sound on the recording?
BF
It is illegal Recording conversations by means of a listening device is an offence under the Listening Devices Act 1984 (NSW) unless both parties consent.
You started this ****, if I remember correctly lemon man now running scared because you let the cat out of the bag, welcome back from leave anyway. How does your voice sound on the recording?
BF
Chief Bottle Washer
Enough is as good as a feast
Having watched this turn into something that wouldn't even last on JH, enough is enough. What a sad inditement of the NSW industry 
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