Helicopter down in Yarra River Melbourne
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Helicopter down in Yarra River Melbourne
7pm on Dec 29th
Few details at the moment, one person missing one rescued.
http://www.theage.com.au/news/nation...778765256.html
Mickjoebill
Few details at the moment, one person missing one rescued.
http://www.theage.com.au/news/nation...778765256.html
Mickjoebill
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Early report is Aussie Copters' operating a cross hired R44. Pilot missing, pax escaped after ditching.
Very, very sad: condolences to the pilot's family
Very, very sad: condolences to the pilot's family
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I agree with the condolences of this accident. Our TV News showed the R44 being lifted from the river. Our Safety Boys expect to take 3 days to determine the cause. After take off the machine flew only 50 mts then ditched...why???....low RPM???...Possibly is my opinion.
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Prc, If you're a qualified accident investigation engineer or whatever they are called then I respect your opinion, if not leave the speculation alone and let the ATSB give us the answers after they have spoken with the survivor and conducted their investigation.
Cheers
Ringer
Cheers
Ringer
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From: somedays in a helicopter, other days in a fixed-wing....
Don't know why helmets aren't worn more often for all styles of operations... I've worn a helmet during scenic operations and never had 1 pax complain nor ask why i wear it....
Very sad to hear about this accident. RIP.
Very sad to hear about this accident. RIP.
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Speculation at this stage of course, but word is possible turbulence/downdraft off large boat shed to the south of crash position might have contributed.
Obviously wait for ATSB report for actual cause.
Few interesting side issues involved in this one which might come out at end of day.
Condolences to all family and friends.
Di
Obviously wait for ATSB report for actual cause.
Few interesting side issues involved in this one which might come out at end of day.
Condolences to all family and friends.
Di
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Originally Posted by deeper
The boatshed is too far away to influence anything, what a furfy.
The ATSB would not know anything about investigating a helicopter accident, they probably did not even attend the site, they usually don't, even in a fatal they may not.
Most helicopter accident reports from the ATSB say NFI, not formally investigated or, NOI, no onsite investigation, and they don't understand helicopters at all.
The ATSB would not know anything about investigating a helicopter accident, they probably did not even attend the site, they usually don't, even in a fatal they may not.
Most helicopter accident reports from the ATSB say NFI, not formally investigated or, NOI, no onsite investigation, and they don't understand helicopters at all.
What a strange thing to say, deeper. ATSB were there all day, and the investigation is continuing. You might notice the chap with "ATSB" on his hat in this photo?
As for the "boatshed": with a 20+kt southerly as on the day, departing to the north of the shed, there is often noticeable turbulence coming off the building. This picture is taken from just NE of the helipad (looking downriver to the SW), the departure would have been to the bottom right, with a left turn out to the right of the moorings on the centre right of the picture.
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Deeper
The lead accident investigator investigating this accident has been with the ATSB for over 10 years. He was at the accident scene the day after it happened.
Before joining the ATSB he was with Sikorsky as a Field Service Rep (Tech Rep) in Australia and before that he was attached to the Thai Navy as the on site Field Service Rep for their Seahawks. He has years of helicopter experience before that both in Sikorsky (working as an engineer in their production facility) and the US Military. He probably has over 30 years in the industry.
How does your industry experience compare, it would be interesting to see what lies behind your theory as to the cause of this accident.
The lead accident investigator investigating this accident has been with the ATSB for over 10 years. He was at the accident scene the day after it happened.
Before joining the ATSB he was with Sikorsky as a Field Service Rep (Tech Rep) in Australia and before that he was attached to the Thai Navy as the on site Field Service Rep for their Seahawks. He has years of helicopter experience before that both in Sikorsky (working as an engineer in their production facility) and the US Military. He probably has over 30 years in the industry.
How does your industry experience compare, it would be interesting to see what lies behind your theory as to the cause of this accident.
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Thanks John,
I understand it is usual to avoid this route, but may have been chosen on this occasion due to large container ship having just passed by heading up stream.
Di
with a 20+kt southerly as on the day, departing to the north of the shed, there is often noticeable turbulence coming off the building.
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Hi,
Condolences to the family.
Im just about to start training and the helmet issue interests me, what is the thought on fire proof flight suits and helmets whilst training?
Would I get laughed at or a pat on the back for being sensible?
All thoughts greatly appreciated please.
J.
Condolences to the family.
Im just about to start training and the helmet issue interests me, what is the thought on fire proof flight suits and helmets whilst training?
Would I get laughed at or a pat on the back for being sensible?
All thoughts greatly appreciated please.
J.
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Would I get laughed at or a pat on the back for being sensible?
Ditto fire proof suit. Shame to survive the clout on the head from the rotor blade coming through the cockpit and then getting burnt because you're wearing that cool looking blue aviator nylon bomber jacket. Know of an aviator who after suffering terrible burns as a result of a crash on take off (engine failure) made a living on the lecture circuit (albeit military) telling aircrew how to dress if they wanted to survive.