Lesson #1 recommendation around Sheffield
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Be nice, I'm new to this whirly lark... Christmas time and SWMBO has decided that she likes helicopters and my PPL(A) isn't enough, so I'm not objecting to her plan for me to learn with her paying for lesson #1.
I'm in Sheffield and obviously there are a few schools at EGSY but I don't mind looking further afield as it will give me an excuse to fly to another airfield.
I don't really want to spend an hour 'mastering the art of hovering' and a friendly instructor who doesn't mind flying somewhere interesting, and a quick cup of coffee in the middle would be nice.
So, I'm happy to go a reasonable distance of Sheffield in case the Wx goes crap? Sherburn? Nottingham? Barton? Derby? Humberside? Anywhere else worthy of a recommendation?
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I'm in Sheffield and obviously there are a few schools at EGSY but I don't mind looking further afield as it will give me an excuse to fly to another airfield.
I don't really want to spend an hour 'mastering the art of hovering' and a friendly instructor who doesn't mind flying somewhere interesting, and a quick cup of coffee in the middle would be nice.
So, I'm happy to go a reasonable distance of Sheffield in case the Wx goes crap? Sherburn? Nottingham? Barton? Derby? Humberside? Anywhere else worthy of a recommendation?
Cheers
Whirlybird works out of Tatenhill I think, and i'm sure she would be happy to take you somewhere other than Sheffield. You could go to Sandtoft (sandtoft helis) or Humberside (York helis I think). Lots of scope really.
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support your local school
Should you not start and try to support your local schools?
I personally would recommend a Hu269 rather than a R22.
Go up and ask to talk to 'Instructor' not just the person at the desk.
Maybe you could fly around to all airfields you fancy before choosing.
good luck
I personally would recommend a Hu269 rather than a R22.
Go up and ask to talk to 'Instructor' not just the person at the desk.
Maybe you could fly around to all airfields you fancy before choosing.
good luck
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Couldn't recommend this school highly enough. Did some commercial training there with Geoff Day and the school is professional and really friendly with that bit of flexibility that you were after. Got a 22 and a 44 and if you can afford it I would suggest going down the 44 route.
Hope you have fun.
P.S. My wife made a similar suggestion and has been regretting it ever since, obsession, bankruptcy etc!!
Hope you have fun.
P.S. My wife made a similar suggestion and has been regretting it ever since, obsession, bankruptcy etc!!
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Whirlybird works out of Sheffield
Oops, I'd better shut up in case this is construed as advertising.
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If you want to land I promise to look away Whirly - you may well hear a strange noise while in the hover that needs urgent investigation while I brew some tea.
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E, there are four schools at Sheffield.
If you fly with Alpha it will probably be with John Spring, who is a nice chap (sure he wont mind me saying so) and you would be very relaxed in flying with him.
If you fly with Dragon it will probably be Paul Medhurst who does a lot of PPL training.
TAMS - not sure who would do it but may be Elaine (or John Spring..)
Kuki - Ray runs the place in Sheffield but is not an FI (I think?) so not sure who would fly with you but you could ask him.
Alpha, TAMS, Dragon all fly the Schweitzer. Alpha, TAMS, Dragon and Kuki all fly the R22. None seem to use the R44
Over at Sandtoft there is Sandoft helis (noted above in previous post)
Further over Heather Sugden at HeliYorks.
North at Sherburn there is Hields (see separate threads)
South at Nottingham, Central Helicopters (Phil Speechley) and further south East Midlands Helicopters (Nigel Burton & co).
You'd want to look at travel - both for now and future hiring - driving for 3 hrs to fly for 1 is fun..
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If you fly with Alpha it will probably be with John Spring, who is a nice chap (sure he wont mind me saying so) and you would be very relaxed in flying with him.
If you fly with Dragon it will probably be Paul Medhurst who does a lot of PPL training.
TAMS - not sure who would do it but may be Elaine (or John Spring..)
Kuki - Ray runs the place in Sheffield but is not an FI (I think?) so not sure who would fly with you but you could ask him.
Alpha, TAMS, Dragon all fly the Schweitzer. Alpha, TAMS, Dragon and Kuki all fly the R22. None seem to use the R44
Over at Sandtoft there is Sandoft helis (noted above in previous post)
Further over Heather Sugden at HeliYorks.
North at Sherburn there is Hields (see separate threads)
South at Nottingham, Central Helicopters (Phil Speechley) and further south East Midlands Helicopters (Nigel Burton & co).
You'd want to look at travel - both for now and future hiring - driving for 3 hrs to fly for 1 is fun..
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Kuki at Sheffield - Ray is not an FI, and Kuki book students in at Sheffield, then fly up from Gamston and pick them up. I think. Or something similar. So if you want to fly with Kuki, going to Gamston in the first place might well be easier. Maybe.
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Thanks for all that.
What's the hourly rate these days for various machines?
And because I'm too lazy to look in LASORS, does anyone know off the top what credits are available from PPL(A)?
What's the hourly rate these days for various machines?
And because I'm too lazy to look in LASORS, does anyone know off the top what credits are available from PPL(A)?
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A Schweizer is around £250/260 per hour; R22s are cheaper.
A PPL(A) can get a maximum of 6 hours credit flying time which means the minimum hours that one can get a PPL(H) in, is 39 hours. However, unlike fixed wing, getting a PPL(H) in min hours is rare.
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A PPL(A) can get a maximum of 6 hours credit flying time which means the minimum hours that one can get a PPL(H) in, is 39 hours. However, unlike fixed wing, getting a PPL(H) in min hours is rare.
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Fair point about hours, but of course there's none of the general nav or procedures to learn so I'd imagine that even I could avoid getting lost in the circuit
Is there only the one written exam (helicopter technical) and flying tests are NavEx and GST?
Is there only the one written exam (helicopter technical) and flying tests are NavEx and GST?
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"I don't really want to spend an hour 'mastering the art of hovering' and a friendly instructor who doesn't mind flying somewhere interesting, and a quick cup of coffee in the middle would be nice."
You are clearly either an optomist or superman! I'm about 20hrs in and still have not mastered the art of hovering... Sadly just about everything else (landing, taking off, not spilling your coffee and keeping your instructor friendly) does seem to depend on mastering that subtle art... So, unless you can do it, there is not much point in flying off anywhere (unless you especially want your FI to gain lots of extra experience of landing at other airfields)...
Perhaps I'm a slow learner but I just don't want you to be disappointed if hovering doesn't click within the sixty minutes...
Kind regards and good luck with it,
M.
You are clearly either an optomist or superman! I'm about 20hrs in and still have not mastered the art of hovering... Sadly just about everything else (landing, taking off, not spilling your coffee and keeping your instructor friendly) does seem to depend on mastering that subtle art... So, unless you can do it, there is not much point in flying off anywhere (unless you especially want your FI to gain lots of extra experience of landing at other airfields)...
Perhaps I'm a slow learner but I just don't want you to be disappointed if hovering doesn't click within the sixty minutes...
Kind regards and good luck with it,
M.
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I too wondered about the "mastering the hover in an hour" comment.
Perhaps if the word "mastering" were removed and "in the same county" was added it might be more realistic.....
One of these days I'll dust off that FI(H) of mine and have some more similar fun.
Perhaps if the word "mastering" were removed and "in the same county" was added it might be more realistic.....
One of these days I'll dust off that FI(H) of mine and have some more similar fun.
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'mastering the art of hovering'
I didn't mean to sound remotely cocky, it's just something that I've seen on a few school ad's, hence the quotation marks. I'm guessing that its an option aimed at birthday presents... I mean trail lessons.
Of course I don't expect to fly like an ace, I just thought that it would be more interesting to do a bit of flying and attempt something resembling straight and level rather than looking sideways at Sheffield Airport's perimeter fence. I get to do that often enough as I sometimes fly from there and my office also there!
Funnily enough, when I had my first FW lesson it took quite a bit of effort to convince the FI that I actually wanted a licence, and that I wasn't in the least bit interested in looking at my house from 1,500'.
If I'm to become a heli-hero I'll no doubt be able to save mastering the hover for my second hour.
I didn't mean to sound remotely cocky, it's just something that I've seen on a few school ad's, hence the quotation marks. I'm guessing that its an option aimed at birthday presents... I mean trail lessons.
Of course I don't expect to fly like an ace, I just thought that it would be more interesting to do a bit of flying and attempt something resembling straight and level rather than looking sideways at Sheffield Airport's perimeter fence. I get to do that often enough as I sometimes fly from there and my office also there!
Funnily enough, when I had my first FW lesson it took quite a bit of effort to convince the FI that I actually wanted a licence, and that I wasn't in the least bit interested in looking at my house from 1,500'.
If I'm to become a heli-hero I'll no doubt be able to save mastering the hover for my second hour.
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eltonioni,
You can do what you like on your trial lesson of course (within reason!). However, as a f/w pilot, I think you might find just flying to another airfield somewhat boring...it's not really much different to doing it in an aeroplane. Hovering is the one thing that's very different and tremendous fun. I managed to hover with all three controls on my trial lesson (though I needed the whole of Herefordshire to do it in) and it was that which had me totally hooked - not the straight and level stuff, which wasn't that special except for having great vis out of a helicopter. And I still tend to tour in f/w aircraft, and enjoy throwing helicopters around at low level - that's what they're good at.
You can do what you like on your trial lesson of course (within reason!). However, as a f/w pilot, I think you might find just flying to another airfield somewhat boring...it's not really much different to doing it in an aeroplane. Hovering is the one thing that's very different and tremendous fun. I managed to hover with all three controls on my trial lesson (though I needed the whole of Herefordshire to do it in
) and it was that which had me totally hooked - not the straight and level stuff, which wasn't that special except for having great vis out of a helicopter. And I still tend to tour in f/w aircraft, and enjoy throwing helicopters around at low level - that's what they're good at.
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I'll no doubt be able to save mastering the hover for my second hour.
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Are Schweizers better to learn in than R22s? Difference in cost is not a problem.
I would come up to Tatenhill to learn, but unfortunately the nearest airfield to me is Shoreham. So looks like Fast Helicopters might be an option.....
happy new year to you!
Are Schweizers better to learn in than R22s? Difference in cost is not a problem.
I would come up to Tatenhill to learn, but unfortunately the nearest airfield to me is Shoreham. So looks like Fast Helicopters might be an option.....
happy new year to you!