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Lots of rumour, talk, sabre rattling and much disgruntlement amongst cops at the moment. Talk of doing unofficial actions and work to rule..!!
Any of the Police Units out there affected yet or perhaps going to be..??
1.9 percent is a bit poor really....
Any of the Police Units out there affected yet or perhaps going to be..??
1.9 percent is a bit poor really....
You really think so? Not what my friends in the force think.
It will come to nothing. Any police observer who decides to rock the boat a bit will end up walking a lot and wearing a pointy hat.
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Aaaah! a little play on the old 'Buttered Cat Paradox'!
It would be good to protest in some 'official' way about the recent, un-backdated pay 'rise', but knowing where the bread is buttered, prevents it happening!
It would be good to protest in some 'official' way about the recent, un-backdated pay 'rise', but knowing where the bread is buttered, prevents it happening!
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You are right about what you imply, but if the Police decide to strike, ( I know that's a long way away, ) then the observers will support it even if they have a ' plum' job. ( I know that's not the case as an ex observer).
You are right about what you imply, but if the Police decide to strike, ( I know that's a long way away, ) then the observers will support it even if they have a ' plum' job. ( I know that's not the case as an ex observer).
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I think the officers have to be balloted first in order to regain the right to strike, don't they?
If it happens, just because they can, doesn't mean they have to!
Yet another paradox!
As it is illegal at the moment.....who will arrest them?
If it happens, just because they can, doesn't mean they have to!
Yet another paradox!
As it is illegal at the moment.....who will arrest them?
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D3, sorry but can't give this opportunity up...
Contradiction !
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http://www.esctoday.com/news/read/1855
The English language can look weard, isn't there a contradiction in terminis in the title...
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http://www.esctoday.com/news/read/1855
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no need to strike
The main talk at the moment is revolving around simply withdrawing goodwill from the job..
Things like accident investigation officers and scenes of crime officers taking firms mobile fones home, so they can be called out to fatal accidents.
The future may well bring about the scenario whereby if you have a fatal accident overnight on the motorway. The motorway stays closed until the relevant departments come on duty at 8am the next day and travel (slowly) to the scene to begin their work. That should go down well in the rush hour on the week before xmas..
In this world of direct employment for Pilots and engineers, poor pay settlements effect not just Police Air Observers... slippery slope methinks.
Things like accident investigation officers and scenes of crime officers taking firms mobile fones home, so they can be called out to fatal accidents.
The future may well bring about the scenario whereby if you have a fatal accident overnight on the motorway. The motorway stays closed until the relevant departments come on duty at 8am the next day and travel (slowly) to the scene to begin their work. That should go down well in the rush hour on the week before xmas..
In this world of direct employment for Pilots and engineers, poor pay settlements effect not just Police Air Observers... slippery slope methinks.
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no offence at all.
Was not meant to be political, I just find it odd to use of "industrial" (almost provocative).
The guys in Industry should start planning an "Public service action"
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no offence at all.
Was not meant to be political, I just find it odd to use of "industrial" (almost provocative).
The guys in Industry should start planning an "Public service action"
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I just find it odd to use of "industrial" (almost provocative).
"Public Service" doesnt always sit well with the Police.
They are Serving the Public, more than Public Servants.
Having bashed a few heads at major riots and major public disturbances, over the years, I didnt feel much like a servant to the public.
Most of the time Im stopping (a particular section of) the public from doing the things they want to do. ie racing on roads at dangerous speeds, taking / selling drugs, bashing their wives and partners, or raping and murdering our women folk. etc etc
Not the type of role that sits well with the title of servant..
A lot of the cops I know have roots in military, coal mining, steelworking, engineering, and other such "industrial" backgrounds.. hence the terminology.. I'm probably a little old fashioned I guess hehehe
Plus, the Police are very much outside the "establishment". You wont find the likes of the security services or the (so called) intelligence world talking to the likes good old plod. So again, it perhaps lends itself to images of picket lines and banners though I doubt very much it will happen.
Personally I dont think the Police stand a chance. Sad but true.
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Police pay!
To all the Police Air Observers UK. Stick with it lads ( & lasses). I well remember as a Sergeant in the late 1970's realising that I was taking home less pay than the local Milkman. Then came along the Edmond Davies enquiry into Police Pay. After that we had over 30 years of peace and harmony on the pay front. Then this ****dy government dumped Edmond Davies on the grounds " The Police have no problem recruiting or with retention, so they must be too well paid " ( words uttered by a Home Secretary at the Supts Annual Conference ) Since then there has been discord & disruption! The latest pay award by the independant arbitration board has been dishonoured by the Home Secretary's decision not to back date it to September. In other words 1.9% instead of 2.5% - you have been shafted!
You are prevented by law from striking, but you can closely examine that which you are asked to do & ask yourself "Is this life threatening?" is it my duty to do this?
Remember too that you are highly skilled & whilst you can be told to put on a "pointy hat" & return to normal duties, at least you may be elligable for bonus payments as a front line officer, something the current system will not accept! Anyway who can replace you? The Supts Association and ACPO also appear to be sympathetic!
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You are prevented by law from striking, but you can closely examine that which you are asked to do & ask yourself "Is this life threatening?" is it my duty to do this?
Remember too that you are highly skilled & whilst you can be told to put on a "pointy hat" & return to normal duties, at least you may be elligable for bonus payments as a front line officer, something the current system will not accept! Anyway who can replace you? The Supts Association and ACPO also appear to be sympathetic!
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Let the civvies strike!!
Northumbria Police want to replace their 9 police observers with civilian observers. While that is a completely seperate debate, interestingly, these new observers will have full rights, including industrial action. So in years to come there is a possibilty of the Newcastle based aircraft being grounded due to industrial action. That will go down well with all the cops on the street chasing some criminal through gardens..
As for the current situation for police, I think we need to send a message to the government who feel they can turn us over at will. A ballot for strike action will do this I feel - whether we ever went on strike is a different matter.
PS Since deciding about civilianisation in March 2007 they have now nearly got one civilian on the unit (due to start in January).
As for the current situation for police, I think we need to send a message to the government who feel they can turn us over at will. A ballot for strike action will do this I feel - whether we ever went on strike is a different matter.
PS Since deciding about civilianisation in March 2007 they have now nearly got one civilian on the unit (due to start in January).
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I've been out of the force for a year now so my info is a little out of date, but HMG did the same last year. There was talk of work to rule and lots of other stuff but it came to nothing in the end.
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Hi SF, last year was similar up until the arbitration decision, at this point last year the Home Office gave us the award backdated.
This year arbitration have come up with a figure, and we're not getting it backdated. There is even suggestion from a leaked letter that the government deliberately stalled talks to achieve this. The government are now riding roughshod over arbitration, which is our only defence.
And of course if you're in Scotland it is being backdated as the Scottish Parliament believe in honouring the arbitration decision.
This year arbitration have come up with a figure, and we're not getting it backdated. There is even suggestion from a leaked letter that the government deliberately stalled talks to achieve this. The government are now riding roughshod over arbitration, which is our only defence.
And of course if you're in Scotland it is being backdated as the Scottish Parliament believe in honouring the arbitration decision.
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Cmon you chaps, your on a bloody site better pay packet than most, and retire with a good pension thats guaranteed. Try making a living in the real world. This does not apply to all those lovely policemen who fly. They deserve a fifty percent pay rise, backdated for five years
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Try making a living in the real world.