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Hi Guys,
Just wondering if anyone knows where I can find a detailed list of what the actual IR(H) Test comprises of and it's parameters. Remember having one for my CPL but can't locate one for this. It's for a JAA Multi-engine single pilot IR if that helps. MAny thanks in advance for any leads.
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Just wondering if anyone knows where I can find a detailed list of what the actual IR(H) Test comprises of and it's parameters. Remember having one for my CPL but can't locate one for this. It's for a JAA Multi-engine single pilot IR if that helps. MAny thanks in advance for any leads.
FF01
Have you tried entering "UK JAA IR(H)" into google, or "ME IR(H) JAA", or going to www.caa.co.uk and looking at publications > licencing? Other publications include LASORS (on CAA web site), JAR FCL-2 (on www.JAA.nl) or simply phoning PLD at the CAA.
That might sound flippent (and to some degree it is inetended to be!) but if you really hold an ATPL (I assume an old CAA one as you have no MPH types listed) and have previously held an IR (fixed wing I assume) the requirements will not be so clear cut.
That might sound flippent (and to some degree it is inetended to be!) but if you really hold an ATPL (I assume an old CAA one as you have no MPH types listed) and have previously held an IR (fixed wing I assume) the requirements will not be so clear cut.
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212 Man,
Indeed that is very flippent of you. I have tried the CAA, JAA, google and Lasors to no avail. I have found the actual requirements required to undertake the IR(H), but what I am after is what is expected of me in the actual test ie excercises, sections, parameters and tolerances etc. The CAA examiner for the test must have some sort of script for the test and that is what I am trying to get hold of is possible. May I also suggest that you stick to flying as opposed to your hobby as a clairvoyant, because it seems that all your guesses as to my background based upon my initial thread are all way from the mark. Help is much appreciated from anyone without a bee in their bonnet.
Indeed that is very flippent of you. I have tried the CAA, JAA, google and Lasors to no avail. I have found the actual requirements required to undertake the IR(H), but what I am after is what is expected of me in the actual test ie excercises, sections, parameters and tolerances etc. The CAA examiner for the test must have some sort of script for the test and that is what I am trying to get hold of is possible. May I also suggest that you stick to flying as opposed to your hobby as a clairvoyant, because it seems that all your guesses as to my background based upon my initial thread are all way from the mark. Help is much appreciated from anyone without a bee in their bonnet.
So, what you are after is some sort of guide to standards required, so maybe looking at the CAA publications> licencing> standards documents might be a good start. Then you might stumble accross:
Notes for the Guidance of Applicants taking the Initial Instrument Rating Skill Test (Helicopters)
http://www.caa.co.uk/application.asp...detail&id=1967
Or, this:
Guidance Notes for Helicopter Type Rating Examiners conducting Type Rating Skill Tests & Proficiency Checks (We do IRs and ATPL skill tests too, so some relevance)
http://www.caa.co.uk/application.asp...detail&id=1328
Oh, I don't know: I quite like a bit of lip and banter 
Notes for the Guidance of Applicants taking the Initial Instrument Rating Skill Test (Helicopters)
http://www.caa.co.uk/application.asp...detail&id=1967
Or, this:
Guidance Notes for Helicopter Type Rating Examiners conducting Type Rating Skill Tests & Proficiency Checks (We do IRs and ATPL skill tests too, so some relevance)
http://www.caa.co.uk/application.asp...detail&id=1328
might I suggest you don't use that sort of tone with the Examiner when your time comes...?
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Firefly01, in all fairness to 212man, your profile does say you hold an ATPL(H). If you do hold such a licence, it would be an old CAA UK ATPL(H). Or do you just have a CPL with ATPL(H) theory credits?
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Bit of a flippant reply, saying someone is being flippant when in fact they have given him the actual location of the information asked for.
For someone who has an ATPL(H) in their profile, yet only singles, it surprises me that he has asked this question as it would indicate a bit of time in the industry. ( At least 5 years) I wonder if there is a lack of friends around to ask! Not only that, but previous posts have also asked where to look for a job!
Firefly, try to maintain this high and mighty attitude in an interview or flight test, it will go down perfectly well and will secure you the job you so rightly deserve.
All the best,
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For someone who has an ATPL(H) in their profile, yet only singles, it surprises me that he has asked this question as it would indicate a bit of time in the industry. ( At least 5 years) I wonder if there is a lack of friends around to ask! Not only that, but previous posts have also asked where to look for a job!
Firefly, try to maintain this high and mighty attitude in an interview or flight test, it will go down perfectly well and will secure you the job you so rightly deserve.
All the best,
SS
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Oh no you haven't !
I have tried the CAA, JAA, google and Lasors to no avail.
Bit of a flippant reply, saying someone is being flippant when in fact they have given him the actual location of the information asked for.
Actually, Firefly, you would be surprised how much more is being assessed than simple adherence to 'limits'. Situational awareness, cockpit management, forward planning, spare capacity, decision making and general handling smoothness are all very important. Worry less about your +/- 100 ft and more about the overall effect.
Acid test for the examiner: "would you send your wife and kids off with this guy, single pilot IFR?"
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IR(H) Standards Document
If you log on to the CAA/SRG site and select publications and search for Standards Document 01(H) you will have all the information needed to appreciate what is required for the IR (H) LST.
You will also find under Standards Documents a list of all the documents pertaining to all the flight tests conducted in the UK (Well nearly all )
Stuart
You will also find under Standards Documents a list of all the documents pertaining to all the flight tests conducted in the UK (Well nearly all )
Stuart
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Whirlygig, I believe your suggestion of a CPL (albeit with ATPL theory credits) will be correct 
(Going on a previous post from FF01 being part way through the exams).
Perhaps Lasors would be a VERY good place for FF01 to start
FWIW, FF01 what you seek is easy to find, as detailed by others. Alternatively ask your IR(H) course provider (when you're on the course), who'll have all that info ready for you.
You've had the limitations above. In so far as what to expect.......
A full pre test brief.
Questions concerning your planning of the test route (including applicable rules/legislation, and q's on the IFR chart legend).
Pre flight a/c inspection paying particular attention to the areas you'd additionally/specifically check prior to an IFR flight.
After aircraft start a full test of all the a/c's comms and nav aids.
Examiner will then lift a/c into hover and position a/c on runway for T/O. You get the controls in the climb out, then............
Standard instrument departure, Enroute section (VOR and/or NDB tracking), holding, Non precision approach and a precision approach ( to include a SE go around and a SE approach), autos, unusual attitude recovery and any other emergencies the examiner fancies. Test flying to last about 90 mins
As always, having the right qulaifications is only a small factor in securing employment
Good luck
FW
(Going on a previous post from FF01 being part way through the exams).Perhaps Lasors would be a VERY good place for FF01 to start
FWIW, FF01 what you seek is easy to find, as detailed by others. Alternatively ask your IR(H) course provider (when you're on the course), who'll have all that info ready for you.
You've had the limitations above. In so far as what to expect.......
A full pre test brief.
Questions concerning your planning of the test route (including applicable rules/legislation, and q's on the IFR chart legend).
Pre flight a/c inspection paying particular attention to the areas you'd additionally/specifically check prior to an IFR flight.
After aircraft start a full test of all the a/c's comms and nav aids.
Examiner will then lift a/c into hover and position a/c on runway for T/O. You get the controls in the climb out, then............
Standard instrument departure, Enroute section (VOR and/or NDB tracking), holding, Non precision approach and a precision approach ( to include a SE go around and a SE approach), autos, unusual attitude recovery and any other emergencies the examiner fancies. Test flying to last about 90 mins
As always, having the right qulaifications is only a small factor in securing employment
Good luck
FW
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It was an accident. Nearly as bad as flying an NDB approach to minima and calling nothing seen going around. OOPS, should have flown to the beacon/MAPt!! Done that twice now. 
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Who wants an IR anyway?
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Who wants an IR anyway?
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With full IFR screens across your half of the cockpit windscreen, lift into hover and hover taxi would be interesting
I presume it's standard whenever screens are used
On my initial IFR test CAA bod flew the lift and hover taxi, I was then given contol as we climbed out on the SID, if memory serves, at about 200' AGL
With full IFR screens across your half of the cockpit windscreen, lift into hover and hover taxi would be interesting
I presume it's standard whenever screens are used
On my initial IFR test CAA bod flew the lift and hover taxi, I was then given contol as we climbed out on the SID, if memory serves, at about 200' AGL
