No EMS Helicopters in Ireland
Then we have the problem of EMT's who are trained but restricted by legislation from giving injections...
Hospitals with no landing sites...
A health service that is a complete administrative mess...
Where do you start with trying to integrate a helo casevac service?
Hospitals with no landing sites...
A health service that is a complete administrative mess...
Where do you start with trying to integrate a helo casevac service?
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Hi Folks
Economics & population density ?
Dallas, metropolitan area -
- Population 6 million
- Area 385 square miles (city only)
Ireland, country -
- Population 6 million
- Area 32,591 square miles
Info source, Wikipedia.
Not disagreeing that there shouldn't be a service.
HTH
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Paul
I'm a Paddy currently flying from a heliport in Dallas
and we have at least 4+ EMS operators in the area.
If Dallas has 4 operators(maybe more when ye factor in Fort Worth),
and each of them have more than one helicopter,
why can Ireland not have at least one for each(4 of them) province?
and we have at least 4+ EMS operators in the area.
If Dallas has 4 operators(maybe more when ye factor in Fort Worth),
and each of them have more than one helicopter,
why can Ireland not have at least one for each(4 of them) province?
Dallas, metropolitan area -
- Population 6 million
- Area 385 square miles (city only)
Ireland, country -
- Population 6 million
- Area 32,591 square miles
Info source, Wikipedia.
Not disagreeing that there shouldn't be a service.
HTH
ATB
Paul
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no heli pad at Beaumont
You may not know but even with a helicopter you cannot land at Beaumont (major hospital for all head injuries) because it doesn't have a pad!! Patients are taken to Dublin Airport then transferred by ambulance to hospital!!
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Yeah true, but Tallaght could be the better option to stabilise the patient and I don't think they have built any apartments on the heli pad they have yet although there may be planning permission for a smoking shed there.
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best option is to land at the hospital
I know a lot more about medicine than I do about flying and I can assure you the whole point about EMS transfer is to get the patient to the major centre as quickly as possible. No heli-pad at a major head-injury centre is not good!! Mind you ther is no pad at the Mater (major hospital for cardiac transplants and other work) because it is rather too close to a prison that some-one did a flit many years ago!!!
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A HEMS feasability study was conducted by Booz, Allan and Hamilton-Dublin on behalf of the Irish Gov and the then N Ireland Gov about 5 years ago.I got myself a copy which I have farmed out to a number of people. Reading it is very tough as it was a badly produced study which cost €140K to the taxpayer both North and South. There was hardly any consultation with the IAA ( who would be the approving authority of any HEMS - JAR OPS-3 in the south). The initial investment for one heli covering Ireland and access to all secondary medicine care with proper helipads etc was suggested as €11 MILLION!!!!!! They also looked at how HEMS is operated in England and Wales. Scotland didn't get a mention!! The suggestion that the HEMS should operate on charity is ludicrous. If some UK operations are conducted on charitable basis, then thats their choice. In Ireland we need an operation thats there on a permanent basis. It must not be dependent on charitable contributions over uncertain time periods to function.
In a previous message a comparison was made regarding various Air Ambulance ops in Dallas, Texas and lack of in Ireland. Population, area coverage etc were markers for the comparison. If thats the case, how come Luxemberg has a number of HEMS?
Also, keep in mind that under JAR OPS-3 ther is a distinct difference between HEMS and Air Ambulance, the latter may be operated under a normal AOC at the discretion of the member state authority.
I believe it is possible to run at least 3 heli's initially as an Air Ambulance Unit in Ireland AND make a profit for the long term, but it's not England or Wales we should be looking at!
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Hey could ya imagine one of our corporations logo'son the side of a nice equiped Heli??
I came across an operation in USA that offered an EMS service in remote areas in USA which worked on a membership basis and they are very successful. They are like the AA but for people when they need assistance, members are allowed I think one or two uses a year. The more members they have the better the service and the more machines they provide in rural areas.
Here is tha link,
http://www.lifeteam.net
I came across an operation in USA that offered an EMS service in remote areas in USA which worked on a membership basis and they are very successful. They are like the AA but for people when they need assistance, members are allowed I think one or two uses a year. The more members they have the better the service and the more machines they provide in rural areas.
Here is tha link,
http://www.lifeteam.net
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Do you hope to offer 24 hour roadside assistance? I have heard that hems pilots must have a minimum of 2,000 hours PIC. How many pilots would be required to run this proposed service? It will be pricey, very worthy cause but very expensive.
Trail service?
What about a proposal for a trial period for the East coast over the summer?
Who much would that cost?
Im not suggesting new helipads or infrastructure other than a portacabin, helicopter and crew
I can organise a TV doc series of the trial that would communicate the effectiveness of a service.
Mickjoebill
Who much would that cost?
Im not suggesting new helipads or infrastructure other than a portacabin, helicopter and crew
I can organise a TV doc series of the trial that would communicate the effectiveness of a service.
Mickjoebill
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Why doesn't a bank like AIB step in and do something like the Wespac trust helicopters in Australia and New Zealand,Aren't they supposed to be one of the most profitable banks in Europe.Sure they charge you for about everything,About time one of the big companies put there hands in the old pocket...Not a bad why to advertise the bank if you ask me..Just my two cence
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where will they land??
As already posted the major problem for any EMS scheme is the fact that you cannot land at the major Dublin Hospitals!! Perhaps you need a TV programme on that?? Does seem that such a basic fact is missed in most discussions on this point!!!
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Tv spot is needed , Maybe a few phone calls are needed, all these people that die on our roads possibly Die before help comes and they could be saved by air
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well the very best of luck with it, Day VFR is fine as it's a trail and when successful night VFR/IFR can follow suit.
We'll get this country out of the dark ages one of these days.
FF
We'll get this country out of the dark ages one of these days.
FF