Biggin Hill Helicopters ???
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Heard that too.
why couldn't it work for them at Biggin Hill of all places?
The hangar did have some 206's, As355 and a collection of two seaters, believe one of the 206's was used for spares.
Rumour has it short on cash and struggled to pay bills bounced a few payments. You sure they are not BHH??
why couldn't it work for them at Biggin Hill of all places?
The hangar did have some 206's, As355 and a collection of two seaters, believe one of the 206's was used for spares.
Rumour has it short on cash and struggled to pay bills bounced a few payments. You sure they are not BHH??
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G Wbhh
I sold a Bell 206B formerly N5001N to Bill at BHH. From the only info I can find it is now GWBHH. Has anyone seen this A/C, and is it still flying? I am a Yank, and only met with Bill whyen he came to the US for the pre-purchase inspection, he seemed like a nice fellow. I hope all the best to anyone that found problems with BHH, and Bill as well.
From the only info I can find it is now GWBHH. Has anyone seen this A/C, and is it still flying?
I understood the aircraft was in Hangar 500 up until fairly recently, when it was relocated during the Sky Charter exodus from the premises.
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It says "Active - proposal to strike off". Further credit references indicate that there was no winding-up petition against the company but there are six unsatisfied County Court Judgments against them totalling over £60k.
In January, they filed with Companies House the three month notification to dissolve the company and correct advertisement in The London Gazette was made in February.
Any further information and I'll have to start paying for it!!
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Whirls
In January, they filed with Companies House the three month notification to dissolve the company and correct advertisement in The London Gazette was made in February.
Any further information and I'll have to start paying for it!!
Cheers
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One of old BHH aircraft, G-SBHH, has been spotted in spain:
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Ivor, it's what I do for a day-job 
My company already has subscriptions for credit checking and an account at Companies House. However, any further info I can glean, I'll let you know.
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Whirls
My company already has subscriptions for credit checking and an account at Companies House. However, any further info I can glean, I'll let you know.Cheers
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The Internet's wayback machine is out there for anyone wanting to reminisce or grimace over the spiralling decline:
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Well, here's the latest..
G-OCBI (Hughes 300)
G-TBHH (AS355)
G-WBHH (Bell 206, formerly N5001N - the wreck that sat in the Bhh hangar)
All Bhh aircraft...are now registered to a "ALPHA PROPERTIES (LONDON) LTD". I doubt they purchased all three helicopters, so it looks like a transfer of assets to another company.
According to companies house, "Hughes Helicopter co ltd" and "JWL Helicopters" are still trading companies, ie not dissolved or struck off.
And still loads of people are out of pocket from a company that "went under" over two years ago....
G-OCBI (Hughes 300)
G-TBHH (AS355)
G-WBHH (Bell 206, formerly N5001N - the wreck that sat in the Bhh hangar)
All Bhh aircraft...are now registered to a "ALPHA PROPERTIES (LONDON) LTD". I doubt they purchased all three helicopters, so it looks like a transfer of assets to another company.
According to companies house, "Hughes Helicopter co ltd" and "JWL Helicopters" are still trading companies, ie not dissolved or struck off.
And still loads of people are out of pocket from a company that "went under" over two years ago....
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According to companies house, "Hughes Helicopter co ltd" and "JWL Helicopters" are still trading companies, ie not dissolved or struck off.
Both are pre-dissolution i.e. the proposal to strike off has been made and any creditors have three three months from that proposal to apply to the Courts to have the dissolution postponed.
Once a company has been dissolved, that's it, it's dead.
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It said "Active - proposal to strike off" back in March 2009. What's the hold up?
And how did Bhh manage to "sell" the three helicopters to 'Alpha Properties' without that money going to the creditors?
I bet if you look up who the directors of 'Alpha properties' are you will find some familiar names....
And how did Bhh manage to "sell" the three helicopters to 'Alpha Properties' without that money going to the creditors?
I bet if you look up who the directors of 'Alpha properties' are you will find some familiar names....
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I've no idea what the hold up is but, while there is a hold-up, there's a chance that the creditors may be able to put their claim to the liquidator (if one has been appointed). If not, then the creditors can apply to the court to have an independent insolvency practitioner appointed.
A liquidator could make the decision to sell the aircraft in order to realise whatever cash they can, and this cash is used to pay the creditors. However, there is an order in which creditors get paid; first, the liquidator's remuneration, then secured creditors (i.e. mortgage and charge holders), then the employees up to £800, then the Government (PAYE, VAT etc), then the rest, the trade creditors.
Once a company has been dissolved, there is no chance of any redress so surely you'd want that to happen later rather than sooner?
I just have ... and the shareholders .... not names I know but then, I don't know BHH that well. Are you just guessing MFU?
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A liquidator could make the decision to sell the aircraft in order to realise whatever cash they can, and this cash is used to pay the creditors. However, there is an order in which creditors get paid; first, the liquidator's remuneration, then secured creditors (i.e. mortgage and charge holders), then the employees up to £800, then the Government (PAYE, VAT etc), then the rest, the trade creditors.
Once a company has been dissolved, there is no chance of any redress so surely you'd want that to happen later rather than sooner?
I bet if you look up who the directors of 'Alpha properties' are you will find some familiar names....
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On the (UK) credit card front, if you find your card provider is being uncooperative about their "Joint and Several Liability" (Section 75 of the Consumer Credit Act 1974) then it's amazing how a bit of legal action speeds up their pedestrian correspondence and prompts them toward a reasonable conclusion!
I found this "support pack" to be a very useful tutorial:
Trading Standards Division - Consumer Advice - County Court Support Pack
And I was pleasantly surprised to find that part of the process has gone electronic:
http://www.moneyclaim.gov.uk/
I found this "support pack" to be a very useful tutorial:
Trading Standards Division - Consumer Advice - County Court Support Pack
And I was pleasantly surprised to find that part of the process has gone electronic:
http://www.moneyclaim.gov.uk/
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Unspent Training Hours - Section 75 Claim
I am having difficulty getting my credit card company to honour a perfectly legitimate section 75 claim wrt unspent training hours bought with BHH. The card company does not dispute the fate of BHH, that I made a payment on account with BHH or that I flew with BHH on the same I made that payment. They are citing insufficient evidence on two counts 1) that I cannot provide any written terms and conditions to show that there was no expiry date on the training hours purchased and 2) that I cannot provide documentary evidence (eg. invoice) to show that I purchased training hours rather than something else.
Of course there was a verbal agreement that the hours were not time limited and as to the invoice, with BHH and other schools I have flown with, it was customary to give only a card voucher - no invoice/statement of account.
I would be very interested to hear from members similarly affected. Cheers.
Of course there was a verbal agreement that the hours were not time limited and as to the invoice, with BHH and other schools I have flown with, it was customary to give only a card voucher - no invoice/statement of account.
I would be very interested to hear from members similarly affected. Cheers.
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There may have been no time limit on the hours, but as the company has ceased trading, how can you use the hours?!
Flight schools usually only issue an invoice after a flight. I guess you could have asked for a Statement of Account, but the way things were run at bhh you would probably have got it scrawled on the back of a cigarette packet with burger stains on it.
Flight schools usually only issue an invoice after a flight. I guess you could have asked for a Statement of Account, but the way things were run at bhh you would probably have got it scrawled on the back of a cigarette packet with burger stains on it.
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In my experience, the first line of 'service' at credit card companies disputes department will waste your time with a tedious, lengthy trail of paper correspondence.
The most annoying thing I found is they appear to take no consideration of your record as a customer - e.g. a claim for 1% of your total spend over 5 years as a loyal customer and clearly you're some sort of chancer.
I found it near impossible to use my BHH hours towards the end and with all the odd events (anyone remember Helicopter Days?) i'm not sure it would have been wise. And whilst everyone would wish to get their training done quickly, how could you put a hard limit on training with the British climate??
Nationwide paid up immediately (after the first stage of money claim via court), i'm now going after Barclaycard. In my case the sums are relatively low so I think they'd be imprudent to risk money on a defense in court.
(Barclays/Barclaycard have decided to defend my claim. They've got the big guns on the case, a trainee solicitor with the hand writing of a 7 year old!)
(There was mention of a 3 month limitation on claims in this thread - this is not true.)
The most annoying thing I found is they appear to take no consideration of your record as a customer - e.g. a claim for 1% of your total spend over 5 years as a loyal customer and clearly you're some sort of chancer.
I found it near impossible to use my BHH hours towards the end and with all the odd events (anyone remember Helicopter Days?) i'm not sure it would have been wise. And whilst everyone would wish to get their training done quickly, how could you put a hard limit on training with the British climate??
Nationwide paid up immediately (after the first stage of money claim via court), i'm now going after Barclaycard. In my case the sums are relatively low so I think they'd be imprudent to risk money on a defense in court.
(Barclays/Barclaycard have decided to defend my claim. They've got the big guns on the case, a trainee solicitor with the hand writing of a 7 year old!)
(There was mention of a 3 month limitation on claims in this thread - this is not true.)
Last edited by FairWeatherFlyer; 2nd May 2010 at 14:26. Reason: latest news + minor clarification