Chivenor
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From: EGDC
Soggy - but if I had just said that Royal was taking over the playground fewer might have understood
Shoulditdothat - it's so nice that you feel robbed in order to provide all the protection that the MoD gives the taxpayer - I'll remember to tell guys coming back from Iraq and Afghanistan how much they are valued. Do you complain to every policeman, fireman, doctor and nurse that you are being robbed to pay their salaries?
Rotorspeed - the RT is only busy on nice days - it's not the volume of traffic that is the problem and most GA traffic has bothered to check what services are available - it's just that on some days (like Wednesday) when things are busy, it just makes everyones life more difficult when a few people use us as directory enquiries and Pooleys talking airfield guide. If you want to come and help the ops assistants CALF and Chad a few hundered maps, amend the plethora of other aviation documents, make low level bookings, maintain the safety of the airfield and ATZ, answer the phone or one of 4 radios (and the phone will always ring as an aircraft transmits or vice versa), plot Notams and prepare aircraft maps and a zillion other things besides - I am sure I can arrange it
JimBall - so the aircraft break! what is the big deal. That same crew had been involved in several hours of SAROPs before they got involved with the Sheffield floods - that is the way of emergency response, sometimes it is quiet and sometimes it is non-stop. Are you really moaning that they were sat in the cafe all day? Maybe your 'real world' is the one that needs introspection.
Droopy - we don't tell anyone but that danger area hardly gets used, if at all and it isn't a SAR danger area, it belongs to Bertie Royal Glad we were helpful, we do try to be.
Cyclic - there are 2 types of people....those who are at Chivenor and those that want to be.....
Shoulditdothat - it's so nice that you feel robbed in order to provide all the protection that the MoD gives the taxpayer - I'll remember to tell guys coming back from Iraq and Afghanistan how much they are valued. Do you complain to every policeman, fireman, doctor and nurse that you are being robbed to pay their salaries?
Rotorspeed - the RT is only busy on nice days - it's not the volume of traffic that is the problem and most GA traffic has bothered to check what services are available - it's just that on some days (like Wednesday) when things are busy, it just makes everyones life more difficult when a few people use us as directory enquiries and Pooleys talking airfield guide. If you want to come and help the ops assistants CALF and Chad a few hundered maps, amend the plethora of other aviation documents, make low level bookings, maintain the safety of the airfield and ATZ, answer the phone or one of 4 radios (and the phone will always ring as an aircraft transmits or vice versa), plot Notams and prepare aircraft maps and a zillion other things besides - I am sure I can arrange it
JimBall - so the aircraft break! what is the big deal. That same crew had been involved in several hours of SAROPs before they got involved with the Sheffield floods - that is the way of emergency response, sometimes it is quiet and sometimes it is non-stop. Are you really moaning that they were sat in the cafe all day? Maybe your 'real world' is the one that needs introspection.
Droopy - we don't tell anyone but that danger area hardly gets used, if at all and it isn't a SAR danger area, it belongs to Bertie Royal
Glad we were helpful, we do try to be.Cyclic - there are 2 types of people....those who are at Chivenor and those that want to be.....
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From: Europe
Crab
Now it may be that your RT guys are actually pretty hectic most days. And that you do get an excessive amount of the banal RT drivel we all know can occur. I'll listen out (but not bother you of course) to get an idea next time I'm down in your area.
But somehow I suspect you're just being a teeny bit arrogant and precious. Frankly few of us have the time to look up (or remember) every piece of documented info and sometimes a 20 second RT exchange can achieve what an hour of research can't - and add to the safety of a flight.
Now it may be that your RT guys are actually pretty hectic most days. And that you do get an excessive amount of the banal RT drivel we all know can occur. I'll listen out (but not bother you of course) to get an idea next time I'm down in your area.
But somehow I suspect you're just being a teeny bit arrogant and precious. Frankly few of us have the time to look up (or remember) every piece of documented info and sometimes a 20 second RT exchange can achieve what an hour of research can't - and add to the safety of a flight.
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From: UK
I am for one am happy to pay my taxes to support the guys in Iraq, Afghanistan and all the other places Brown.Blair decide to send the armed forces but I get the impression that is one of the last places said money gets spend on. What I object is to pay for something which is meant for one cause but said course never sees it and it's just plugging holes.
I think Crab was a tad strong on his original post IMHO, but I understand we he is coming from and it had to be said and now people have taken note and become more aware in general.
That an aircraft breaks is as sure as eggs are eggs. To use another aircraft to speedily repair the first is just common sense after all in the SAR business wasted time costs lives.
I think Crab was a tad strong on his original post IMHO, but I understand we he is coming from and it had to be said and now people have taken note and become more aware in general.
That an aircraft breaks is as sure as eggs are eggs. To use another aircraft to speedily repair the first is just common sense after all in the SAR business wasted time costs lives.
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From: Teetering Towers - somewhere in the Shires
Knew I shoulda chopped crab@ when I had the chance ........ 
Only joking mate - you speak the truth ........ but softlee softlee catchee monkee ......
.... and are you changing your handle to ShyTorque'sLoveChild
Only joking mate - you speak the truth ........ but softlee softlee catchee monkee ......
.... and are you changing your handle to ShyTorque'sLoveChild
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From: In the air with luck
They are all ways nice to me.
But I only tell them what, and where, Just so crabs don't run into me, would not like to cost the tax payers more, they usually reply with traffic and QNH.
What's with the ices? we did not get this offer.
I am sure the sign, "we are the military and here to help you" has a bearing.
But I only tell them what, and where, Just so crabs don't run into me, would not like to cost the tax payers more, they usually reply with traffic and QNH.
What's with the ices? we did not get this offer.
I am sure the sign, "we are the military and here to help you" has a bearing.
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From: Alderney or Lancashire UK
You lot who whinge about the tax should bear in mind that one day you might just be grateful to a miserable old git in a Sea King.
I didnt expect to have to be fished out of the sea a few years back. I probably wouldn't be here now without them.
Cheers Crab
I didnt expect to have to be fished out of the sea a few years back. I probably wouldn't be here now without them.
Cheers Crab
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bear in mind that one day you might just be grateful to a miserable old git in a Sea King.
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Yes, but not since about 1972! I was thinking more of Barnstaple or Ilfracombe 
BTW, the ice cream request was just a long shot, seeing as nothing else was on offer
Sheesh - the mind boggles! 
BTW, the ice cream request was just a long shot, seeing as nothing else was on offer
.... and are you changing your handle to ShyTorque'sLoveChild
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From: 400ft
Gaseous & Crab,
I hope you read your SOPs, NOTAMs etc better than you read my words. I open by saying I'm grateful for your services, I then went onto point out that Crabs claim to being a taxpayer is not actually true. Yes I'm sure that when he looks at his wage packet he gets as pissed off with the tax grab as the rest of us, BUT, as in the case of nurses et al, you provide a valuable service, you're paid out of taxes raised on private companies/indviduals, and yes we do need you, but you are not taxpayers, you pay tax on an income which is actually generated from companies/people who generate wealth by their own hand, and not from the tax on public servants, which merely shifts money from one government a/c to another.
SIDT
I hope you read your SOPs, NOTAMs etc better than you read my words. I open by saying I'm grateful for your services, I then went onto point out that Crabs claim to being a taxpayer is not actually true. Yes I'm sure that when he looks at his wage packet he gets as pissed off with the tax grab as the rest of us, BUT, as in the case of nurses et al, you provide a valuable service, you're paid out of taxes raised on private companies/indviduals, and yes we do need you, but you are not taxpayers, you pay tax on an income which is actually generated from companies/people who generate wealth by their own hand, and not from the tax on public servants, which merely shifts money from one government a/c to another.
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Should: Opening a whole can of economic worms with that statement!
One might argue that the vast percentage of someone's income whilst working for a domestically based (as opposed foreign based) company of any description is merely shifting money from one government account to another via an excessively complex process (- a few percent that you might actually manage to keep your mits on obviously, but if you put that in a savings account your bank will be paying tax on the profits they make with it as well).....
One might argue that the vast percentage of someone's income whilst working for a domestically based (as opposed foreign based) company of any description is merely shifting money from one government account to another via an excessively complex process (- a few percent that you might actually manage to keep your mits on obviously, but if you put that in a savings account your bank will be paying tax on the profits they make with it as well).....
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ShouldItDoThat
Your proposition is nonsense.
It would have force if you were referring to taxes (eg VAT) paid by people who receive state benefits. ie Money given to them by the state for which they are not required to give anything in return.
In contrast, Crab and others employed directly by the state, or whose income is derived from the state (eg suppliers of goods, sub-contractors), receive payment in return for selling something of theirs to the state: Either their services or their goods.
FL
Your proposition is nonsense.
It would have force if you were referring to taxes (eg VAT) paid by people who receive state benefits. ie Money given to them by the state for which they are not required to give anything in return.
In contrast, Crab and others employed directly by the state, or whose income is derived from the state (eg suppliers of goods, sub-contractors), receive payment in return for selling something of theirs to the state: Either their services or their goods.
FL
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Shytorqe
72 !!!
Daddy
72 !!!
Daddy
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