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Old 3rd Jul 2007, 22:29
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Yeah, have mine! Then you could sit my exams for me!!!

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How does this stay in balance with out shaking the crap out of itself / drag ?
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I believe the correct technical phrase is "without shaking like a dog ****ting razor blades."

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Old 4th Jul 2007, 03:19
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Makes me feel better ( a little) after Team New Zealand....and then flying with a swiss pilot sure doesnt help
 
Old 4th Jul 2007, 09:25
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Hmmm

Weather still bad in Bedford then oncemorealoft
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Jiff, reconsider accelerations including centripetal...

Last edited by Graviman; 5th Jul 2007 at 11:41. Reason: To clarify that this idea will not work.
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Old 4th Jul 2007, 16:20
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A device like this surfaced several years ago, and was able to propel a canoe without paddles. But then the concept seemed to go very quiet. It has been done before successfully.
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Old 4th Jul 2007, 16:25
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Another sincere piece of advice. If you invent the technique and device thats going to revolutionise global and possibly intergalatic transport, making billions for the inventor, a Knighthood and Nobel Prize for starters... don't post it on a website.

Please someone tell me this is a wind up (Trevor Baylis c 1985)
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Old 4th Jul 2007, 22:03
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Dave Jackson,

Hoping to build a model soon and fly it.


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Old 4th Jul 2007, 22:18
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HeloFan,

The first page is the basic theory demonstrating how force is produced. Page two demonstrates how to produce a consistant constant force, however there is an unbalance between A and B which is rectified on page three. With each reaction weight being paired to one reaction weight of another pair 180 deg out of sync spinning in the other direction. The two additional pairs also accelerate and decelerate in the same manner as the first two bringing the total number to eight.


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Old 4th Jul 2007, 22:59
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Smile

Jiff,

Don't pick on me.
Pick on ShyTorque. He came-up with the hamsters.


Seriously, I hope that the model works and that you post your progress.

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Old 5th Jul 2007, 02:02
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Originally Posted by Mart
Jiff, reconsider using centripetal accel...
I think what Mart is saying here is you can't just look at the accel/decel term. When you accelerate the bobweights to a higher speed, there is a higher centrifugal (centripetal? I'm not smart enough to know the difference) force pulling the thing down due to the m-omega^2 thingy, and less centrifugal force pulling it up due to the lower rotational speed on top. Or whatever m is called for rotational inertia, I forget. I think this is what denies us the free lunch.
But, If I'm wrong, then I think they could program the automatic vibration control on the S92 and make the payload limited only by the structure of the floor.
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Old 5th Jul 2007, 11:40
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Got it in one, IFMU.

Centripetal acceleration generates centrifugal force (not that your point wasn't perfectly clear).
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to deep

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Old 5th Jul 2007, 20:52
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Magnetic Motor

It all looks double dutch to me. Is this another one of the impossible machines like the perpetual motion machine? If you are interested in machines that should not work, do a search for "Howard Johnsons Magnetic Motor". He has patents for it and has demonstrated working models. In short, they are motors that have no power input, yet perform work. Scientists say it shouldn't work, but it does, allegedly.
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Old 5th Jul 2007, 22:46
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Having drawn the diagram from the initial post, to try and understand it a bit more, wouldn't a device like this have to be kept in a controlled environment with strict limitations in stability of the operating environment? Surely air temp/press and indeed the equipment temperature itself, would make some significant differences in the operating ability of the machine.

Also, wouldn't any movement produce a gyroscopic force, resulting in more friction/stiction on one axis than the other?

In turn, this would produce an imbalance in the rotational ability of the axes resulting in 'Force A' being vectored at a possibly uncontrollable rate!
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Old 6th Jul 2007, 02:04
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In turn, this would produce an imbalance in the rotational ability of the axes resulting in 'Force A' being vectored at a possibly uncontrollable rate!
So, what I think you are saying is that if it doesn't actually levitate, it might still make a good sex toy.

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Without going to great lenghts to refute the specifics, the device described is simply another rehash of a perpetual motion machine.

The device needs only have a free body diagram drawn around it to show that no momentum escapes or enters the device, with lots of fun little masses interacting on each other. I can simply illustrate the device by sitting in a chair and grasping the seat with my hands, then lifting up with all my strength. The net lift is a tad closer to zero than the intrepid inventor would wish.
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Old 6th Jul 2007, 10:19
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Nick,

I disagree with your opinion and I would ask you to take page one to the electrical shop put two servo motors face mounted in a plate ( beam ) then add two reaction weights accelerate them to the maximun rpm acheavable in
.5 of a revolution then at that point decelerate them to a stop 180 deg later ie there start point.

Holding onto a chair with both hands is only practice for holding the pan after a curry or AMS into a G if the teabag gets it wrong.........

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Old 6th Jul 2007, 16:46
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If I remember correctly, one of the demonstrations of the machine done several years ago was to hang it by an electrical cord, and then turn it on. The device would move to the side and slightly up and stay there as long as electrical power was applied, in disagreement with several known laws of physics.
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Old 8th Jul 2007, 03:28
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As long as tension was on the cord, Shawn, the device could lean to one side (the weights would perhaps have an average CG somewhat displaced when they spun than when they were still.)

The device cannot invent momentum, it must gather it from somewhere and move it somewhere else. Machines like this have been designed since the beginning of time. Mr. Newton would not be amused that 500 years after he explained why things work, there is still a cult that can impress some folks with sketches and such.
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