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Hovering AND talking
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From: Propping up bars in the Lands of D H Lawrence and Bishop Bonner
I'm not quite sure you can say that sort of thing these days WG
However, yes re: piccie... that's the sort of spade to which I was referring! Do you want it or does Topcat!? Honestly Sidney, I think his heart was in the right place and his intentions were honourable!
What would be the best way of giving Wassatboing a compliment? I know Henley quite well and have frequented The Catherine Wheel on the odd occassion so appreciate "the thoughts" that went into that landing!
Cheers
Whirls
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From: Alles über die platz
I normally require the use of a JCB, so perhaps we could save the spade for another occasion! 
I know you mean well topcat, just the choice of words and a weekend maketh a thread longer.
As for Mr Wassatboing and his crew,
I know you mean well topcat, just the choice of words and a weekend maketh a thread longer.
As for Mr Wassatboing and his crew,
Hovering AND talking
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From: Propping up bars in the Lands of D H Lawrence and Bishop Bonner
I'm not familiar at all with Police/HEMS but I would guess
1. Busy town in Oxfordshire
2. Major crossroads in said town
3. Narrow roads and hence small space in which to land
4. Potential presence of bunting across street
5. Traffic lights
6. Locals, feckwits and ijits
7. Bollards, road humps and sleeping policemen
Cheers
Whirls
1. Busy town in Oxfordshire
2. Major crossroads in said town
3. Narrow roads and hence small space in which to land
4. Potential presence of bunting across street
5. Traffic lights
6. Locals, feckwits and ijits
7. Bollards, road humps and sleeping policemen
Cheers
Whirls
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From: On the big blue planet
I think, this situation shows routine operation for a HEMS-Mission within a city. In Germany, most of the HEMS-Bases near or in the big cities doing it almost every day. Well done!!
No problem with a well trained crew and good cooperation with the forces on the ground ( p. e. for stopping the traffic etc )
The tele-lens of the camera suggest a more narrow landingspot as it is in real ( > 2D ).
By the way, whats in the container mounted below the belly behind the FLIR/TV Turret? Never seen that before.
skadi
No problem with a well trained crew and good cooperation with the forces on the ground ( p. e. for stopping the traffic etc )
The tele-lens of the camera suggest a more narrow landingspot as it is in real ( > 2D ).
By the way, whats in the container mounted below the belly behind the FLIR/TV Turret? Never seen that before.
skadi
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From: UK
Skadi thats the mission pod. It's a McAlpine's special this holds most of the Police equipment like the P.A. Tracker, Nightsun extra swivel landinglight etc. This keeps the boot and cabin free for casualties,dogs, fire arms etc. when the need arises. You do need high skids though even then you only have a 9inch ground clearance under the nightsun.
But it does slow us down sadly.
But it does slow us down sadly.
Last edited by Brilliant Stuff; 2nd July 2007 at 09:31.
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From: Canada
To comment on Wirlygig's comments:
Busy town in Oxfordshire
3. Narrow roads and hence small space in which to land
Viewing the google earth picture. There is tons of room to land and I'm sure the streets were closed.
4. Potential presence of bunting across street
I'm not familiar with the term bunting; What's a bunting?
Busy town in Oxfordshire
3. Narrow roads and hence small space in which to land
Viewing the google earth picture. There is tons of room to land and I'm sure the streets were closed.
4. Potential presence of bunting across street
I'm not familiar with the term bunting; What's a bunting?
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4. Potential presence of bunting across street
I'm not familiar with the term bunting; What's a bunting?
I'm not familiar with the term bunting; What's a bunting?
If someone is familiar with such city-landing-areas, he will be well aware of small telefone wires ( these are not markes with colorfull flags ) and similar obstructions.
skadi
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I don't fly professionally, but know quite a few police and EMS pilots in my area (mid-USA). Typically, an off-airport LZ already has emergency personnel on-site before the aircraft arrives. The ground folks are trained to close the road to traffic, check for wires and other obstructions, wind direction, etc., and they have a freq to talk to the aircrew directly. All this is, of course, to minimize the risk to the crew and aircraft. I assumed this was common practice everywhere in these types of ops. Some of the comments above now make me think otherwise. How about it, pros, can you enlighten me? 
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I thought the condition of the patients was restricted from the flight crew to prevent "mission oriented flying" instead of "operations oriented flying." In other words, the PIC pushes a bad situation they would not normally because one person's life is in the balance. Unfortunately, now 5 lives are in the balance. Risking 4 to save 1 is a bad exchange.
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From: Alles über die platz
That may well be the case in some places scotair, however as a police helicopter, as opossed to an air ambulance or joint police/air ambo heli, only attends in a life or death situation, it kind of gives the game away.
Good flight safety point highlighted nevertheless and that is what CRM tries to avoid.
Good flight safety point highlighted nevertheless and that is what CRM tries to avoid.
