Static and Grass Pollen
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Static and Grass Pollen
Last summer whilst hovering in an R22 over long grass, whilst still a student, I noticed that to remain in the hover I was requiring more and more power. The manifold pressure was now well into the red. The day was hot and dry. The instructor took over. On landing, after a quck tranisition to the helipads, an engineer was called to have a look. It was subsequently found that the blades were covered in pollen which obviously had upset their aerodynamics. The problem was solved by cleaning the blades. Anyone else had a similar experience? Could this happen flying through dust or ash?
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You need more power to hover over long grass than over a hard surface.
The pollen may have been incidental but I'm not an expert on palynology.
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The pollen may have been incidental but I'm not an expert on palynology.
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Yes, Al, it happens.
Why do you think birds spend so much time preening themselves? They're the experts.
To get the best out of your aircraft it has to be squeaky clean, particularly the aerodynamic bits.
Why do you think birds spend so much time preening themselves? They're the experts.
To get the best out of your aircraft it has to be squeaky clean, particularly the aerodynamic bits.
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Several times I've seen fixed wing pilots polishing their props and in discussions, prop-polishing seems like a good practice to follow.
Any ideas on what is a good polish to use - I'm assuming that Mr Sheen is not reccomended?
Any ideas on what is a good polish to use - I'm assuming that Mr Sheen is not reccomended?
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Al,
Cellular Absorption is the phenomenon that causes a loss of ground cushion benefit, ie, more power required. Long grass will cause this. I am not convinced the pollen would have such a profound effect on its own.
Cellular Absorption is the phenomenon that causes a loss of ground cushion benefit, ie, more power required. Long grass will cause this. I am not convinced the pollen would have such a profound effect on its own.
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Are you pollen our legs?
As for plank wing pilots "polishing their props" - yes, I'm sure they do - but I've never heard it called that before
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"Pollen it through" is something I've heard tell they do before start-up.
As for plank wing pilots "polishing their props" - yes, I'm sure they do - but I've never heard it called that before
."Pollen it through" is something I've heard tell they do before start-up.
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Surely, you can't call it rape if you sit on it yourself?
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I use CRC on a rag once a week to wax the blades (R22) and find that nothing sticks to them, It also makes life very easy when it comes to cleaning the blades and I have also found that erosion levels are dramatically reduced too. On comparing 2 sets of blades with 1200 hours on each having operated in the same environment, It was really noticable how the CRC'd blades had held up.
For the R44 we use a rag taped to a broom and run it along the leading edges with similar results.
For the R44 we use a rag taped to a broom and run it along the leading edges with similar results.
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Cellular absorption
Hihover, at thew time we were well below max weight, had been flying for an hour and were doing some hover practice. The problem did not become apparent for about a minute or two, why should we be able to hover with no problem for the first thirty seconds or so and then experience a need for more power? Surely cellular absorption would have occured immediately? Not trying to be pedantic but it seems that it would take a while for the pollen to build up on the blades and hence the need for power would increase as the amount of pollen attracted to the blades increased.
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Al,
You are quite right, Cellular Absorption would be present the moment you came to a hover over the long grass.
I've never heard of pollen making such a significant change.
I don't doubt what you say, I just find it hard to imagine such a build up of pollen that would alter the aerodynamics of a blade so quickly. I would expect such a build up of any foreign matter to be apparent elsewhere and noticeable, eg. on the perspex or fuselage, visible recirculation.
I wonder if bees have the same problem.
You are quite right, Cellular Absorption would be present the moment you came to a hover over the long grass.
I've never heard of pollen making such a significant change.
I don't doubt what you say, I just find it hard to imagine such a build up of pollen that would alter the aerodynamics of a blade so quickly. I would expect such a build up of any foreign matter to be apparent elsewhere and noticeable, eg. on the perspex or fuselage, visible recirculation.
I wonder if bees have the same problem.
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Had the same problem after flying over rape fields...the pollen was well and truly blathered all over the leading edges of the rotors. Cleaned them off...loads of power again.
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Maybe its a small helicopter thing, the combination of tiny blades and lack of power may well require better selection of areas over which to hover.
Good point Al.
Why would anyone hover in a rapeseed field??
Good point Al.
Why would anyone hover in a rapeseed field??
Hi hover - I would love to hear your explanation of cellular absorption - I have heard the term before and the explanation offered then was complete bull. I seem to remember it started as a joke at Middle Wallop and then everyone started quoting it seriously as a reason for increased power required hovering over long grass.
Pollen and salt both accumulate on aerodynamic surfaces and reduce their efficiency - keep 'em clean.
Pollen and salt both accumulate on aerodynamic surfaces and reduce their efficiency - keep 'em clean.
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Cellular Absorption??
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Cellular Absorption - I have not a clue as to the origin of the title, I first heard of it about 30 years ago. So if it was a joke it seems to have developed into an urban myth.
It is nothing more than the inability to build a ground cushion due to the quality of the surface beneath the helicopter. A rocky surface will do it too and I am sure many more, including long grass. The helicopter will require HOGE power, even in a 5 ft hover.
That's as technical as my explanations get.
Cellular Absorption - I have not a clue as to the origin of the title, I first heard of it about 30 years ago. So if it was a joke it seems to have developed into an urban myth.
It is nothing more than the inability to build a ground cushion due to the quality of the surface beneath the helicopter. A rocky surface will do it too and I am sure many more, including long grass. The helicopter will require HOGE power, even in a 5 ft hover.
That's as technical as my explanations get.