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Although I believe you can do an IR(H) on a PPL(H), there's little point in doing so, so get your CPL(H) first!.
If you are doing ATPL(H) ground exams, then you need to get your IR(H) within three years of passing, otherwise you would have to resit the exams.
Cost? Little change out of £30k for a JAA IR since most of the flight training needs to be done on a twin engined IR equipped aircraft. However, some training can be done in a simulator and some on the only single engined IR machine in the UK (Bristows' Jet Ranger).
There is plenty of information on these pages as well as on the internet.
Cheers
Whirls
If you are doing ATPL(H) ground exams, then you need to get your IR(H) within three years of passing, otherwise you would have to resit the exams.
Cost? Little change out of £30k for a JAA IR since most of the flight training needs to be done on a twin engined IR equipped aircraft. However, some training can be done in a simulator and some on the only single engined IR machine in the UK (Bristows' Jet Ranger).
There is plenty of information on these pages as well as on the internet.
Cheers
Whirls
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Advice so far, accurate in the main.
Although if you allow the ATPL exam credits to expire you only have to resit 7 exams not the whole 14. LASORS will detail pre training experience requirements.
A search on this site will ellicit the recommended schools via a similar thread that was running a few months ago.
Costing for the IR course is about 30-34K including all the CAA issue and testing fees. If you're not already twin rated you'll have to also include the costs of the initial twin (min 8 hrs training for first twin) so add about another 8-10K.
Main course providers are Bond, Specialist Aviation Services, Bristows and Helicopter Services. All use a mixture of sim (majority of training) and aircraft (last bit of training and test).
Cabair were running IR's, not sure if they still do though. (They had a spell of poor results
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If rumour is to be believed Fast are also looking to expand into IR training. That said it is a demanding, highly specialised course and with such high costs there is NO way I'd be a guinea pig on one of their earlier courses (They have no IR'd line pilots so will need to attract all new staff for this venture). Only time will show if they too can match the results of the others.
Most consistent performer results wise is Helicopter Services. I did my IR there and was extremely pleased with the course. All the main schools are booked up well in advance. So if you're considering an IR plan well in advance
A google search on any of the companies will give you the contact details you need.
Although if you allow the ATPL exam credits to expire you only have to resit 7 exams not the whole 14. LASORS will detail pre training experience requirements.
A search on this site will ellicit the recommended schools via a similar thread that was running a few months ago.
Costing for the IR course is about 30-34K including all the CAA issue and testing fees. If you're not already twin rated you'll have to also include the costs of the initial twin (min 8 hrs training for first twin) so add about another 8-10K.
Main course providers are Bond, Specialist Aviation Services, Bristows and Helicopter Services. All use a mixture of sim (majority of training) and aircraft (last bit of training and test).
Cabair were running IR's, not sure if they still do though. (They had a spell of poor results
)If rumour is to be believed Fast are also looking to expand into IR training. That said it is a demanding, highly specialised course and with such high costs there is NO way I'd be a guinea pig on one of their earlier courses (They have no IR'd line pilots so will need to attract all new staff for this venture). Only time will show if they too can match the results of the others.
Most consistent performer results wise is Helicopter Services. I did my IR there and was extremely pleased with the course. All the main schools are booked up well in advance. So if you're considering an IR plan well in advance
A google search on any of the companies will give you the contact details you need.
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You don't have to do a JAR IR(H) in the UK.
You can go to another JAR country where there is more supply to match the demand, and frequently a more flexible approach to timescales & approach.
This is the whole point with JAR, bigger market from which to choose.
h-r
PS, with a quick search, you can find another comprehensive thread on this on this forum ...
You can go to another JAR country where there is more supply to match the demand, and frequently a more flexible approach to timescales & approach.
This is the whole point with JAR, bigger market from which to choose.
h-r
PS, with a quick search, you can find another comprehensive thread on this on this forum ...
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One is an Authority that produces regulations. The other is the regulation produced by the authority.
JAR FCL2 pertains to flight crew licensing.
JAA is based in Holland, consumes a lot of sour milk, and is very tall.
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JAR FCL2 pertains to flight crew licensing.
JAA is based in Holland, consumes a lot of sour milk, and is very tall.
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JAR - Joint Aviation Requirements (Not Regulations, an important distinction)
JAA - Joint Aviation Authorities
JAR-FCL 2 relates to Helicopter flight crew licensing
JAA is based in Germany - the Hoofdorp office closed some months ago
JAA - Joint Aviation Authorities
JAR-FCL 2 relates to Helicopter flight crew licensing
JAA is based in Germany - the Hoofdorp office closed some months ago
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I'd just like to tag on a request for info/experiences/recommendations/or otherwise on the theory (just the IR, not the ATPL or CPL) side of things.
According to the (UK) CAA list of approved training organisations there are three, namely Atlantic Flight Training, Cranfield Aviation Training School and Ground Training Services.
If anyone's got personal experience of any of them for the IR(H) theory I'd appreciate hearing about it...
Cheers.
According to the (UK) CAA list of approved training organisations there are three, namely Atlantic Flight Training, Cranfield Aviation Training School and Ground Training Services.
If anyone's got personal experience of any of them for the IR(H) theory I'd appreciate hearing about it...
Cheers.
IMHO, you can't beat GTS. Guys there have masses of experience, oh, and they get great feedback questions. Smaller class sizes than other places which helps when doing the brush up courses.
But whichever school you go to, signing up to the 'Bristol Feedback' (www.atponline.gs) will get you through the exams with minimum hassle.
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I also recommend GTS I completed module 2 of the IR theory course there and I’m currently busy doing module 1.
I also recommend the ATP question bank from Bristol makes life a lot easier.
I also recommend the ATP question bank from Bristol makes life a lot easier.
