Heilcopter troubles
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Heilcopter troubles
Last week a helicopter turned up at a private strip and spent 10 min hovering above the runways resulting in two go-arounds.
A microlight airstrip north of London has no end of trouble with unauthorised heilcopter landings as can be seen on another thread.
What I would lik to know is why SOME helicopter pilots think that they can use private strips without any permision?
A microlight airstrip north of London has no end of trouble with unauthorised heilcopter landings as can be seen on another thread.
What I would lik to know is why SOME helicopter pilots think that they can use private strips without any permision?
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Not sure what sort of reply your looking for?
SOME pilots do silly things.
SOME pilots cut people up in the circuit.
Some pilots break the low flying rules
SOME pilots wee in the shower
Not all helicopter pilots are shining examples of society.
You may have caught me at a bad moment but I can't see you getting anything constructive from your post.
FP.
SOME pilots do silly things.
SOME pilots cut people up in the circuit.
Some pilots break the low flying rules
SOME pilots wee in the shower
Not all helicopter pilots are shining examples of society.
You may have caught me at a bad moment but I can't see you getting anything constructive from your post.
FP.
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Perhaps if the problem is known about in the helicopter world a bit of pressure might be applied to curb the the unauthorised use of private strips.
We are now going to put a big chain around the rotorhead of the next heilcopter that lands without permision or good reason and charge £500 a day parking and the chain will not be removed untill the fee is paid in cash.
We are now going to put a big chain around the rotorhead of the next heilcopter that lands without permision or good reason and charge £500 a day parking and the chain will not be removed untill the fee is paid in cash.
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Same post on 2 forums - my, my. Someone has really rattled your cage. Why don't you just have a quiet word with the nice people at Elstree. I am sure that whoever it was would be highly apologetic and desist from doing it again. And please don't tar all helicopter pilots with the same brush, just because one has upset you.
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well it is the same post apart from the 'This is typical of the heilcopter mentality' part which seemed to be missed out on this forum. As breakscrew says 'please don't tar all helicopter pilots with the same brush, just because one has upset you'.
Some of us helicopter pilots do read other forums and I know this is going to upset you but some of us fly fixedwing as well some times
Some of us helicopter pilots do read other forums and I know this is going to upset you but some of us fly fixedwing as well some times
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We have the same problem with fixed wing pilots.
Some local flying instructors believe they can use our strip firstly without permission and secondly without paying a landing fee. The strip is often unmanned during the week. To add insult to injury we have received noise complaints associated with this activity.
We are investigating fitting cameras at both ends of the runway.
If the airfield is PPR then the landings are also illegal. If you can identify the culprit you can get the CAA to sort them out. They just love to prosecute G.A pilots.
ericferret
Some local flying instructors believe they can use our strip firstly without permission and secondly without paying a landing fee. The strip is often unmanned during the week. To add insult to injury we have received noise complaints associated with this activity.
We are investigating fitting cameras at both ends of the runway.
If the airfield is PPR then the landings are also illegal. If you can identify the culprit you can get the CAA to sort them out. They just love to prosecute G.A pilots.
ericferret
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Breakscrew
If it was one helicopter pilot who had done this I would just put it down as a random happening but it is not, I did say SOME helicopter pilots and that is what I meen SOME.
If you want to land then just get on the phone and get a briefing and you can land for free this way it wont cost a legitamate airfield user £75 in extra flying time because the uninvited helicopter blocked both the runways.
Unfortunatly this is becoming a regular happening and so something has to be done, if you can come up with any better ideas please let me know. Untill then it is the big chain, lock and sticker that will have to do just like a car clamping!
If you want to land then just get on the phone and get a briefing and you can land for free this way it wont cost a legitamate airfield user £75 in extra flying time because the uninvited helicopter blocked both the runways.
Unfortunatly this is becoming a regular happening and so something has to be done, if you can come up with any better ideas please let me know. Untill then it is the big chain, lock and sticker that will have to do just like a car clamping!
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A and C,
I guess the invention of 'binoculars" has not reached your neck of the woods, and pprune is thought to be a better way to tell those guys what they are doing wrong!
A glance at their rej numbers and a letter from the owner, with a polite but thinly veiled threat of action would work wonders.
I guess the invention of 'binoculars" has not reached your neck of the woods, and pprune is thought to be a better way to tell those guys what they are doing wrong!
A glance at their rej numbers and a letter from the owner, with a polite but thinly veiled threat of action would work wonders.
Hovering AND talking
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If it happens regularly, have you considered that perhaps your entry in Pooley’s is not up to date or that the dissemination of your local information is not efficient? For one pilot to make a mistake is unfortunate but for many to do it looks like a cock-up on the communication front!
Cheers
Whirls
Cheers
Whirls
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A and C
I think Nick has hit it on the head. Remember your first solo nav flights when you got geographically embarrassed so you circled the first airfield you saw, frantically poring over maps and trying to figure out if it was the one you were aiming for?
I have a fixed wing mate who did the same thing, unfortunately the first airfield he saw was Edward's Airforce base, found his way home though, courtesy of four blackhawks and an F-16 who escorted him all the way!
He was pretty happy when they gave him the benefit of the doubt.
Maybe there is a perfectly reasonable explanation, I bet that you could find out the registered owner's phone number in less than five minutes on the internet.
Later,
Helicopspeeder
I think Nick has hit it on the head. Remember your first solo nav flights when you got geographically embarrassed so you circled the first airfield you saw, frantically poring over maps and trying to figure out if it was the one you were aiming for?
I have a fixed wing mate who did the same thing, unfortunately the first airfield he saw was Edward's Airforce base, found his way home though, courtesy of four blackhawks and an F-16 who escorted him all the way!
He was pretty happy when they gave him the benefit of the doubt.
Maybe there is a perfectly reasonable explanation, I bet that you could find out the registered owner's phone number in less than five minutes on the internet.
Later,
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We are now going to put a big chain around the rotorhead of the next heilcopter that lands without permision or good reason and charge £500 a day parking and the chain will not be removed untill the fee is paid in cash.
For you pilots having problem with your rotorhead getting chained up here is an solution for that and its even cheaper than the landing fee.
only $229
can fit in most cockpits or cargo holdshttp://www.maxtool.com/images/DC410KA.jpg
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I am an AME and if I found that you had in any way tampered with an aircraft that had my signature in it's logbooks or on the CofS then I would stuff that chain link for link up 
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Rather buy a pair of binoculars and get the word out to the flying comunity that you are indeed a private field, rather than endangering what by all accounts looks like a bonehead who is quite likely to hop in and fly off with as much regard for a preflight as he has for your privacy and safety.
.Rather buy a pair of binoculars and get the word out to the flying comunity that you are indeed a private field, rather than endangering what by all accounts looks like a bonehead who is quite likely to hop in and fly off with as much regard for a preflight as he has for your privacy and safety.
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"What I would lik to know is why SOME helicopter pilots think that they can use private strips without any permision?"
I wouldn't do it. I'm sure most heli pilots with any common sense wouldn't do, either. The only answer is to ask the individuals concerned. Why not just find those actually responsible and point out the error of their ways?
Similar question to my own; why do some car and heavy van drivers think it acceptable to park on my private frontage blocking my gate and /or turn round in my driveway, sometimes dislodging paving slabs? Is it because they are rude, inconsiderate, or just downright thick between the ears?
I wouldn't do it. I'm sure most heli pilots with any common sense wouldn't do, either. The only answer is to ask the individuals concerned. Why not just find those actually responsible and point out the error of their ways?
Similar question to my own; why do some car and heavy van drivers think it acceptable to park on my private frontage blocking my gate and /or turn round in my driveway, sometimes dislodging paving slabs? Is it because they are rude, inconsiderate, or just downright thick between the ears?