The Met's EC145s are about to go Operational!
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very nice indeed, i suppose it is only a matter of time before the met have on official all singing and dancing handover ceremony with bells and whistles
but where are the 355's going to be sold, Ebay?
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It's now official!
Well, it's now official. The Met Police and their ASU have now officially been launched to the public and are now fully operational (although operational for the past 4 weeks) as shown on the BBC London News this eveing at 6:30pm.
As for the villians out there - let the fun begin, their days are
numbered!
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Well, it's now official. The Met Police and their ASU have now officially been launched to the public and are now fully operational (although operational for the past 4 weeks) as shown on the BBC London News this eveing at 6:30pm.
As for the villians out there - let the fun begin, their days are
numbered!
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Apologies if there is a fairly obvious answer to my question, but why have the MET gone for the 145 - size, speed, range, economics? Looking at units across the UK, the 135 seems the machine of choice on offer from EC - I'm just wondering why the MET have gone for the larger offering. Other ASUs across the UK seem happy to take new 135s (West Mids, East Mids, South Wales - I think).
Do you think the 145 will now be the machinery of choice for units looking to replace their current equipment - North Wales for example? I would have thought the larger 145 is ideal for units that offer a HEMS service in conjunction with the police role.
Anyway, thank you all for your time.
Kelly.
Do you think the 145 will now be the machinery of choice for units looking to replace their current equipment - North Wales for example? I would have thought the larger 145 is ideal for units that offer a HEMS service in conjunction with the police role.
Anyway, thank you all for your time.
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so seeing as though a large part of the justification for the extra money being spent was the winching capabilites of the 145....
when do we get to see it..??
Have they (observers) done the training yet.. and how does that fit with the PAOM..?
when do we get to see it..??
Have they (observers) done the training yet.. and how does that fit with the PAOM..?
When police a/c come round for replacement, the "management" have to decide what their strategy is for the next (say) 10+ yrs. It seems the Met's strategy requires a white van
Winching isn't allowed unless you can demonstrate a SSE capability in the hover during training. That is why the 135 nor the 145 can winch in the police world.
That is why there is no reference to winching in the PAOM II.
Ironically - if the a/c came already fitted with a winch, you can winch: "in anger" to save life, but that would be the first and last time you did it
EUOps 3.005(h) App 1, refers.
Winching isn't allowed unless you can demonstrate a SSE capability in the hover during training. That is why the 135 nor the 145 can winch in the police world.
That is why there is no reference to winching in the PAOM II.
Ironically - if the a/c came already fitted with a winch, you can winch: "in anger" to save life, but that would be the first and last time you did it
EUOps 3.005(h) App 1, refers.
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'so seeing as though a large part of the justification for the extra money being spent was the winching capabilites of the 145....'
No it wasn't. The unit has one winch for a proof of concept....towering inferno type scenario where it is a matter of life and death. They have no wish to do the role of the SAR boys. They have more than enough work doing 'real' police work!
No it wasn't. The unit has one winch for a proof of concept....towering inferno type scenario where it is a matter of life and death. They have no wish to do the role of the SAR boys. They have more than enough work doing 'real' police work!
On Thursday, the day after the official launch the local paper was reporting not the triumph of the new machine but that the neighbours were again up in arms. The beast is noisier than the 355N'. No surprise there then for a craft far larger. The article went on to say that the unit were acknowledging a decibel or two higher noise level.
The neighbours have been whinging for years. First they waited til all the main employers in the area - the local arms manufacturers [RSAF, Royal Small Arms Factory, Enfield and RO Royal Ordnance, Waltham] had shut up shop and fallen silent [ceasing almost daily doses of rattles of gunfire, rocket engines and explosions] and sacked everyone then started on the only guns still going off. The MP firearms branch at Lippitts Hill.
They finally drove the guns away from Lippitts [12 miles from London and a good road access] to Kent [25 not so good miles from London].
There are other reasons for the buy of course but now it seems that the Met have had to buy a helicopter big enough to take a reasonable number of firearms officers from Kent to Central London.....
Personally I think they are reaping their own harvest.
The neighbours have been whinging for years. First they waited til all the main employers in the area - the local arms manufacturers [RSAF, Royal Small Arms Factory, Enfield and RO Royal Ordnance, Waltham] had shut up shop and fallen silent [ceasing almost daily doses of rattles of gunfire, rocket engines and explosions] and sacked everyone then started on the only guns still going off. The MP firearms branch at Lippitts Hill.
They finally drove the guns away from Lippitts [12 miles from London and a good road access] to Kent [25 not so good miles from London].
There are other reasons for the buy of course but now it seems that the Met have had to buy a helicopter big enough to take a reasonable number of firearms officers from Kent to Central London.....
Personally I think they are reaping their own harvest.
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In answer to the question: Is the 145 the heli of choice for all ASUs? No it isn't!! Spoke to Manchester chap this week and they are getting a new 902. They are VERY happy with the MD service and informed us that a lot of the so called 'problems' were overstated. We like our 135, its fenestron and servicability. Personally, I will vote to buy another one (like my vote would matter). A lot of units have just got new aircraft in the 135/902 mould. Unless the home office demand a bigger airframe, I can't see much change in the next 10 years.
The H.O. don't demand anything from air ops. They 'suggest' and it's not really a heavy suggestion either! ACPO make the big decisions. It is these guys when they get together who decide what to go for next.
Except for one thing: they don't know what they want next (Met excepted).
No-one is advising them what's going to happen over the next 10+yrs, they haven't a clue, so nothing strategic happens.
Believe it or not, it is the humble UEO who can manipulate movement in the ivory towers. If he/she has their ear, things get done.
The changes that have happened over the 13 yrs I have witnessed have come about by a handful of very passionate UEO's and their unrelenting determination to push forward all sorts of progressive ideas. Of course you need a symapthetic ACPO to run with them too
I think I can safely say that UK police air ops are the most advanced in the world.
Except for one thing: they don't know what they want next (Met excepted).
No-one is advising them what's going to happen over the next 10+yrs, they haven't a clue, so nothing strategic happens.
Believe it or not, it is the humble UEO who can manipulate movement in the ivory towers. If he/she has their ear, things get done.
The changes that have happened over the 13 yrs I have witnessed have come about by a handful of very passionate UEO's and their unrelenting determination to push forward all sorts of progressive ideas. Of course you need a symapthetic ACPO to run with them too
I think I can safely say that UK police air ops are the most advanced in the world.
would it now be a good idea in light of recent events to have the whole of the uk covered by asu's i.e kent & lincs ?
I do agree with you though; having spent many happy shifts in the Kent area on the Air Ambo I don't see how (on operational grounds) the Constabulary there can justify not using a helicopter of their own.
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Saw the 145 yesterday doing its bits and bobs over hyde park for the tour along with four other helis , very impressive and certainly the more quiet of the 5 . Can anyone get the ear of the chief of chiddly PD up north and get us a nice H24 heli instead of H10 Islander
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Tourismkelly......a cynic might suggest that the Met simply want to have a bigger, blacker cat than anyone else........but that would just be scurrilous. There is obviously another reason for choosing the 145.
BTW, Are we related?
BTW, Are we related?