Greatest distance in an R22?
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I have about 800hrs in the 300, and 300 R22 plus 700ish in the 44...and I DO NOT swear by any Robinson product.
I have to quote an instructor at the flightschool I went to :
"I am at a point in my career where I don't HAVE to fly an R22 anymore, so I won't....ever."
As for the 300....love it. Would love to have one around the hangar here to go do some fulldowns and other fun things with when things are quiet.
I have to quote an instructor at the flightschool I went to :
"I am at a point in my career where I don't HAVE to fly an R22 anymore, so I won't....ever."
As for the 300....love it. Would love to have one around the hangar here to go do some fulldowns and other fun things with when things are quiet.
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A recent thread has discussed how threads are boring if they have already been discussed elsewhere. This was followed by the rights and wrongs of repeating old news.
I think that any thread, wherever it may have started, ends up as a Robinson bashing thread. I am not going to be boring and defend them. We all seem to have soooo much time on our hands we can search for those arguments (sorry, threads) and read all the same stuff again.
But what started off (read the thread title) as an interesting discussion ended up with endless posts along the lines of "2 miles was enough for me".
"I have reached the stage in my career..." Well lucky you, but I presume that means that like many, including myself, you learnt to fly in an R22. I wonder if we could start a thread asking how many of the so knowledgable posters learnt in an R22? And how many would admit it?
Bored now. I learnt to drive in a Mazda 323. I have never driven one since, and have no particular desire to do so. But I was glad at the time as it gave me my licence. If it were all I could afford to drive now, I would do so.
I think that any thread, wherever it may have started, ends up as a Robinson bashing thread. I am not going to be boring and defend them. We all seem to have soooo much time on our hands we can search for those arguments (sorry, threads) and read all the same stuff again.
But what started off (read the thread title) as an interesting discussion ended up with endless posts along the lines of "2 miles was enough for me".
"I have reached the stage in my career..." Well lucky you, but I presume that means that like many, including myself, you learnt to fly in an R22. I wonder if we could start a thread asking how many of the so knowledgable posters learnt in an R22? And how many would admit it?
Bored now. I learnt to drive in a Mazda 323. I have never driven one since, and have no particular desire to do so. But I was glad at the time as it gave me my licence. If it were all I could afford to drive now, I would do so.
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more hornet's nest stiring
I did a thousand hours in my little R22 & it bemuses me why some are so caustic towards 'em. The art of flying anything surely is to get the most out of what's avaialbale from the machine you're in.
As for all the criticisms, none of 'em seem to mention the only thing about the beast that ever actually concerned me, that bloody whirling flex coupling between the 2 fuek tanks. Why ol' man Robinson left it unguarded to rip the tanks open if something serious happens to the drive train I'll never know.
As for Robinson knocking, they must be one of the few companies with a true GA focus. All the other players are chasing the corporate/military big bucks needed to fund their new technologies, I doubt we'll see X2 style developments in a machine for the rest of us? Seems to me all the really clever ideas are in UAVs which none of us get to fly anyway!
As for all the criticisms, none of 'em seem to mention the only thing about the beast that ever actually concerned me, that bloody whirling flex coupling between the 2 fuek tanks. Why ol' man Robinson left it unguarded to rip the tanks open if something serious happens to the drive train I'll never know.
As for Robinson knocking, they must be one of the few companies with a true GA focus. All the other players are chasing the corporate/military big bucks needed to fund their new technologies, I doubt we'll see X2 style developments in a machine for the rest of us? Seems to me all the really clever ideas are in UAVs which none of us get to fly anyway!
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A real helicopter?
Indeed SpinWing! If we reduce forward speed to zero, do we not hover? If we pull up collective on engine failure do we not die? Does my licence not say PPL(helicopter)??
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I plan to fly an R22 as far as I can throw it !
So far I have managed to get the skids to creak when I shook it by its tail.
Not worth the start up & shut down cost.
Still , I continue my endeavour of throwing it !
R22 is more versatile competition wise than the S300 ????? What in a straight line you mean ?? !!
If both heli's have 2 PPL on board
The weather has to be cool so the R22 can compete,
The R22 doesnt have full fuel, so it can compete,
At least one of the R22's pilots has to weigh under 150lb & the other less than an african swallow carrying a coconut.
The wind isnt too strong so the R22 can compete.
Yeah I agree the R22 would beat the S300 in a competition....not sure what comp you mean but sure in a straight line , on a great day for a short distance.
Yepper !
So far I have managed to get the skids to creak when I shook it by its tail.
Not worth the start up & shut down cost.
Still , I continue my endeavour of throwing it !
R22 is more versatile competition wise than the S300 ????? What in a straight line you mean ?? !!
If both heli's have 2 PPL on board
The weather has to be cool so the R22 can compete,
The R22 doesnt have full fuel, so it can compete,
At least one of the R22's pilots has to weigh under 150lb & the other less than an african swallow carrying a coconut.
The wind isnt too strong so the R22 can compete.
Yeah I agree the R22 would beat the S300 in a competition....not sure what comp you mean but sure in a straight line , on a great day for a short distance.
Yepper !
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Yawn, yawn, bigger yawn. 
Mods, please can we have a sticky thread called "R22 Bashing" where those who feel the need can post all these boring, repetitive criticisms.
Mods, please can we have a sticky thread called "R22 Bashing" where those who feel the need can post all these boring, repetitive criticisms.
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I must say that 22 clipper is one who impresses me with his "a challenge a day attitude", while many others sign themselves up for mediocracy instead by signing themselves out of just seeing if there is some variety out there to spice their life up a bit.
The R22 is just such a variety show, fast, economical, it has totally taken over the mustering industry, the training industry nearly everywhere and is a general all round very easy to fly gadget with a bullet proof engine.
Too easy to fly we might say for real training. It's an excellent platform for me or ned air2air to go fishing in, (he is worse than me wish a fish hook)
The h300 on the other hand, well a mate of mine had that goddammm clothes line clutch turnout snap at 25 hours from brand new, nearly killed him. he's not alone!
We used to burn em off regularly with a G5 (itself 15 knots slower than an R22) in any straight line contest and you can gaurantee that an engine will not last the distance and WILL cost a new crankcase every rebuild because the damm thing is so stressed up.
apart from that you can easy go back to your second childhood in an R22, or droll along on to your next oil platform in some computer and never know anything about helicopters.
The R22 is just such a variety show, fast, economical, it has totally taken over the mustering industry, the training industry nearly everywhere and is a general all round very easy to fly gadget with a bullet proof engine.
Too easy to fly we might say for real training. It's an excellent platform for me or ned air2air to go fishing in, (he is worse than me wish a fish hook)
The h300 on the other hand, well a mate of mine had that goddammm clothes line clutch turnout snap at 25 hours from brand new, nearly killed him. he's not alone!
We used to burn em off regularly with a G5 (itself 15 knots slower than an R22) in any straight line contest and you can gaurantee that an engine will not last the distance and WILL cost a new crankcase every rebuild because the damm thing is so stressed up.
apart from that you can easy go back to your second childhood in an R22, or droll along on to your next oil platform in some computer and never know anything about helicopters.
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I am 6 feet 4 inches tall (sorry metric system users) and I have never had a problem being in the R22 for long spells.
Furthest I have flow in one day:
About 900 miles.
I do have to fight the tendancy to sort of lean forward.
Furthest I have flow in one day:
About 900 miles.
I do have to fight the tendancy to sort of lean forward.
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R44
sorry, do people hold the same contempt for the R44 as they do for the R22??
I am halfway through my training on the S269cbi, have no intention of flying the R22 but I am aiming to finish up on the R44....can I assume the R44 is a far superior machine to its 2 seater version?
I am halfway through my training on the S269cbi, have no intention of flying the R22 but I am aiming to finish up on the R44....can I assume the R44 is a far superior machine to its 2 seater version?
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Oh no. Standby for another round of Robinson bashing! Can't wait for the R66. Something else to slam. Oh, sorry, just checked. It's already started.
The 44 is a great machine. Having learnt in a 22, the transition was relatively straightforward. If you intend to fly a 44 eventually, and have a few hours left before you get the PPL, I would spend a few hours in a 22. The 44 won't feel so unusual then when you first fly it, and it may save you time with the conversion.
Just my thoughts. No doubt others will disagree, but that is what the forum is for.
The 44 is a great machine. Having learnt in a 22, the transition was relatively straightforward. If you intend to fly a 44 eventually, and have a few hours left before you get the PPL, I would spend a few hours in a 22. The 44 won't feel so unusual then when you first fly it, and it may save you time with the conversion.
Just my thoughts. No doubt others will disagree, but that is what the forum is for.
