Greatest distance in an R22?
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NickG,
What do you think is terrible about the S300
and how much experience have you got in them Vs the R22? I could list many reasons why I think the 300 is a better trainer, but I bet most pilots on here already know them so I wont bore everyone...
FT.
What do you think is terrible about the S300
and how much experience have you got in them Vs the R22? I could list many reasons why I think the 300 is a better trainer, but I bet most pilots on here already know them so I wont bore everyone...FT.
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I am sure that there was a female pilot in Oz that flew around Australia in an R22, but I can't recall the details. She'd had an accident of some sort and moved over from planes to helos before the journey.
Re the bad back, try using a small cushion between your back and the seat (Lumber support), that's why they get fitted to modern cars now. Don't slouch forward, it puts strain on your back. Sit upright and have a small curve in the bottom of your spine, that's the way it's designed.
On the R22 vs H/s300, I trained in both and both have good and bad. The variety gave a good insight and having done endorsements on H500, Jetranger and R44, the experience on both types of rotor head early on was a good advantage. One pilot tried to tell me that the Bell 47 was the best training helicopter EVER. I've never flown one, so I can't say.
Re the bad back, try using a small cushion between your back and the seat (Lumber support), that's why they get fitted to modern cars now. Don't slouch forward, it puts strain on your back. Sit upright and have a small curve in the bottom of your spine, that's the way it's designed.
On the R22 vs H/s300, I trained in both and both have good and bad. The variety gave a good insight and having done endorsements on H500, Jetranger and R44, the experience on both types of rotor head early on was a good advantage. One pilot tried to tell me that the Bell 47 was the best training helicopter EVER. I've never flown one, so I can't say.
I agree the S300 or Hughes 300 is a far superior machine to the robinson . For one it is actually a "proper" helicopter and can be thrown around safely which can be a good thing if your student does something odd....i ferried a 300 from Denver to Houston Texas with a student on board....6000 ft over some mountains i have my head buried in a map trying to work out where my fuel cache was....after a few minutes i had sick feeling ...looked up and all i could see was spinning sky...the student had slowed down to zero or backwards, the aircraft was spinning and falling at x000 ft/min. Taught me a lesson for the future but not sure i would have had a future in an R22!!!! I wish schools would get rid of them and give our insurance rates a chance to recover !!
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CYheli,
I think you will find the lady in question is Roger Corbin's (rotorlift -Tasmania) wife Allana.
http://rotorlift.com.au/info/comp_staff.htm
I think you will find the lady in question is Roger Corbin's (rotorlift -Tasmania) wife Allana.
http://rotorlift.com.au/info/comp_staff.htm
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S300 = rubbish. Terrible helicopters.
At least, that's how I feel, and I always thought it was the opinion of every rotorhead in the known universe.
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1994 First Solo Helicopter Circumnavigation of Australia.
R22, 111 hours over 24 days covering 17,000kms.
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"Would I do it again? NO!"
R22, 111 hours over 24 days covering 17,000kms.
VH-LPU.
Quote from page 154 of Bills book (One Mans Dream)
"Would I do it again? NO!"
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Quite, I'd like to second Whirlybirds opinion. We all have a different take on life and what it has to offer, and we all have differing opinions..... which is what can make this such an interesting site at times...
Different aircraft for different folks, some are undoubtably more suited to certain tasks than others......, but i guess they all have their place, and both the R22 and H300 are good machines..... in the right hands.
Different aircraft for different folks, some are undoubtably more suited to certain tasks than others......, but i guess they all have their place, and both the R22 and H300 are good machines..... in the right hands.
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I definately agree that the 300 is the better trainer. It isn't perfect but it's flying characteristics are spot on. (This is from experience as an instructor on both). Also, isn't it true that Robinson has said that the R22 shouldn't be used for training?
The R22 is a good 2 seater, quick and reliable but it has its drawbacks too. It's flying characteristics are not that hot also its not so good if you're over 6' tall with a healthy weight, as a weight & balance will show (I'm not going to able to break any distance records!).
Its so popular as a trainer for financial reasons.
Used for what it was originally designed for, with a competent and well trained pilot and the R22 statistics would be much healthier.
As for nickg_44, perhaps he should try getting time in a type before criticising.
The R22 is a good 2 seater, quick and reliable but it has its drawbacks too. It's flying characteristics are not that hot also its not so good if you're over 6' tall with a healthy weight, as a weight & balance will show (I'm not going to able to break any distance records!).
Its so popular as a trainer for financial reasons.
Used for what it was originally designed for, with a competent and well trained pilot and the R22 statistics would be much healthier.
As for nickg_44, perhaps he should try getting time in a type before criticising.
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All im saying is that I have been surrounded by helicopters my entire life, and have vast amounts of experience in hughes 500, R22, R44, 206B3, and enstrom 280c (another "so-so" helicopter). Ok, so i dont have much experience of the S300, i think i have been in one once?
I just much prefer the concept of the R22, it seems to be a more finished product than the S300, better thought out, it has lower running costs, and they are capable of flying some fairly decent distances. I have about 300hrs P2 in R22, so for a 19yr old i would say im fairly well informed.
Competition flying wise, the R22 is much more versatile and manouverable than the clunky 300.
I agree that no helicopter is rubbish
, but could i have a definition of a "proper helicopter" please?
nick x
I just much prefer the concept of the R22, it seems to be a more finished product than the S300, better thought out, it has lower running costs, and they are capable of flying some fairly decent distances. I have about 300hrs P2 in R22, so for a 19yr old i would say im fairly well informed.
Competition flying wise, the R22 is much more versatile and manouverable than the clunky 300.
I agree that no helicopter is rubbish
, but could i have a definition of a "proper helicopter" please?nick x
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Nick,
I in no way mean to be ageist, but how have you managed to acquire "vast amounts of experience" on so many types by the age of 19? I didn't have vast experience of anything at that age. I'm not saying you haven't; I'm just wondering how you did it...at what age did you start etc.
I'm just jealous, that's all.
And, for the record, I like R22s too.
I in no way mean to be ageist, but how have you managed to acquire "vast amounts of experience" on so many types by the age of 19? I didn't have vast experience of anything at that age. I'm not saying you haven't; I'm just wondering how you did it...at what age did you start etc.
I'm just jealous, that's all.
And, for the record, I like R22s too.
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Alrite whirleybird?
Members of my family are heavily into flying, so most of that was done with me while i was growing up, i think my first trip in an R22 was about 3yrs old. I learnt a lot, and hovered an R22 on my 14th birthday. I have done long range trips in R22, R44 and 206.
I am about half way through a PPL, but currently cant afford it because im at university! SHUCKS!
So my actual recorded P1 time is fairly minimal if you dont count the times where i held the stick in the cruise.
I also suppose one of my reasons for not liking the 300c is the fact that the pilot peer group I have been surrounded by dont like them either. But I dont mean to piss people off on here, merely like to spark a bit of debate. The other thing about this, is that its the same snobbery situation with Turbine pilots and robinsons. Every single Military pilot i have ever met think that Robinsons arent proper. And most R22 pilots swear by their machines, but dont like the 300C and vice versa.
nick x
Members of my family are heavily into flying, so most of that was done with me while i was growing up, i think my first trip in an R22 was about 3yrs old. I learnt a lot, and hovered an R22 on my 14th birthday. I have done long range trips in R22, R44 and 206.
I am about half way through a PPL, but currently cant afford it because im at university! SHUCKS!
So my actual recorded P1 time is fairly minimal if you dont count the times where i held the stick in the cruise
. I also suppose one of my reasons for not liking the 300c is the fact that the pilot peer group I have been surrounded by dont like them either. But I dont mean to piss people off on here, merely like to spark a bit of debate. The other thing about this, is that its the same snobbery situation with Turbine pilots and robinsons. Every single Military pilot i have ever met think that Robinsons arent proper. And most R22 pilots swear by their machines, but dont like the 300C and vice versa.
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And helicopter pilots think plank pilots can't really fly. And glider pilots think anyone with an engine knows zilch about flying. And microlight pilots think they're the best. And those with two engines look down on those with one who look down on those with none, and vice-versa. And taildragger pilots think the same aircraft but with the little wheel at the front isn't a real aeroplane. And balloon pilots...I've no idea what they think, but they probably think they're absolutely great and no-one else is. As do hang-glider pilots, probably...not that I know about that either.
But don't you think this divisiveness actually says loads about people....but b***** all about their flying machines.
But don't you think this divisiveness actually says loads about people....but b***** all about their flying machines.
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you seem to have a wide range of snobberies in your head. not that you hold any of them! hehe!
they may be stupid, but we are all entitled to our own opinions. mine however, are not unfounded.
nick
they may be stupid, but we are all entitled to our own opinions. mine however, are not unfounded.
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R22 versus s300
Look at the mustering industry in Aus, 22s far outway 300s in numbers, an R22 can do anything a 300 can and is far more reliable in a hard working environment, and who wants to ferry a 300 at snail pace for any distance.
BF
Look at the mustering industry in Aus, 22s far outway 300s in numbers, an R22 can do anything a 300 can and is far more reliable in a hard working environment, and who wants to ferry a 300 at snail pace for any distance.
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Mmmmmm ....
Well what a wonderful thread .... makes me feel so happy to reveal that my longest flight in a R22 was a :10 circuit at Cranfield UK back in 1981 with (my then Boss) a bloke named Dave Dixon the then CFI of Trent Air Services.
I was so impressed (
) that I have been able to maintain that record now for 26 yrs and hopefully will continue it till I retire!
Cheers
Well what a wonderful thread .... makes me feel so happy to reveal that my longest flight in a R22 was a :10 circuit at Cranfield UK back in 1981 with (my then Boss) a bloke named Dave Dixon the then CFI of Trent Air Services.
I was so impressed (
) that I have been able to maintain that record now for 26 yrs and hopefully will continue it till I retire! Cheers
