Age Discrimination: Fighting the CAA! (+ update)
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This sort of news doesn't help either.
BBC NEWS | Business | EU judges back UK retirement age
Fly for Fun, I think you'll find Uncle Ian will find Suffolk quite convenient!!!
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Whirls
BBC NEWS | Business | EU judges back UK retirement age
Fly for Fun, I think you'll find Uncle Ian will find Suffolk quite convenient!!!
Cheers
Whirls
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Yes indeed, I live in Suffolk so no getting out of the promise of free beer!
The EHRC was aware of the impending European Court decision on age 65 retirement, they also knew which way it would go but that's European Law for you, and it was a large part of their decision to withdraw from my case.
We will fight on, better for the minor setback!
Ian
The EHRC was aware of the impending European Court decision on age 65 retirement, they also knew which way it would go but that's European Law for you, and it was a large part of their decision to withdraw from my case.
We will fight on, better for the minor setback!
Ian
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As far as I know ... no. Uncle Ian cannot continue as he lost and an appeal would be unlikely to succeed. It will take other people and other cases to continue.
I'm sure Uncle Ian would be glad to help anyone ele to wants to take up the cudgels ... And I'd be more than happy to help with fund-raising!
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Whirls
I'm sure Uncle Ian would be glad to help anyone ele to wants to take up the cudgels ... And I'd be more than happy to help with fund-raising!
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Whirls
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That old Devil called AGE
So IF another litigant comes on the scene ... will pruners be willing to put up further funds? I'm not sure, but I, for one, would contribute.
Oh and just a silly note. Due to a CAA typing error, my professional licence gives a dob of 1933, when in fact it was 1932. Not that I cared when the ATPL was newly issued in 1974, but there was a tad more significance twenty years later.
Keep them Zimmers airborne! DRK.
Oh and just a silly note. Due to a CAA typing error, my professional licence gives a dob of 1933, when in fact it was 1932. Not that I cared when the ATPL was newly issued in 1974, but there was a tad more significance twenty years later.
Keep them Zimmers airborne! DRK.
I had to bail out of the UK system in 2005 when I became sixty five. I went to Australia and got an ATPL(H) which has no age limit. As time went on I gained a Chinese ATPL(H) at sixty six years old; that again has no age limit.
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Had my Class 1 med renewed yesterday. Flying colours as usual in all respects.
It is very frustrating that the "single pilot air transport carrying passengers" box on the certificate gives a new 6 month validity.
The AME confirmed; "Not a medical decision, Bertie."
It is very frustrating that the "single pilot air transport carrying passengers" box on the certificate gives a new 6 month validity.
The AME confirmed; "Not a medical decision, Bertie."
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old gits
as a 64yr old rotary person i know who ide sooner be flying with when the donkey gives up , ill take dennis k with or without the zimmer any day , helispeediii 
Seems daft that I'm 'too old' be paid to fly around with a doctor and paramedic in a mini flying A+E unit, literally only 10 minutes from a hospital, yet young enough be paid to fly around here, where the nearest medical assistance is 1500Km away (4 days sailing, if there is a vessel available)........
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Bertie darling ... the whole bloomin' thing is daft ... you're young enough to instruct a crap and unpredictable pilot like me 
but not to fly my grandmother on a pleasure flight. Bonkers.
Have a great time down south Thruster
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Whirls
but not to fly my grandmother on a pleasure flight. Bonkers.Have a great time down south Thruster
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@ Bertie
Yepp, it's stupid. I fly all kinds of external load in really tricky conditions, pulling the pilot line to towers, long lining close to live lines etc. etc.
but can not fly the workforce to their places because it's public transport what
nonsense.
Yepp, it's stupid. I fly all kinds of external load in really tricky conditions, pulling the pilot line to towers, long lining close to live lines etc. etc.
but can not fly the workforce to their places because it's public transport what
nonsense.
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Thanks William ... 'tis nice to think I could still be wanted even if it has to be when we're in trouble! Dennis K.
PS. You obviously remember the Enstrom motor letting go on one of our dual sorties ... along by the river circa 1995 or so I seem to recall.
PS. You obviously remember the Enstrom motor letting go on one of our dual sorties ... along by the river circa 1995 or so I seem to recall.
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I don't think so. EASA may be even more restrictive, at least that was the feeling way back when I went to Court. But..........
I wish someone new would take up the fight. There may be some give in the CAA/EASA now.
In Court I argued that taking cardiac event statistics from the general public (ie British Heart Foundation data) was inappropriate for one of the most medically tested sectors of the general population. Two Barristers, two professors of cardiology supported by three solicitors, the CAA's chief medical officer and her deputy argued the converse.
At 65 I was invited to undergo a "stress" ECG (they measure parameters while you jog on a treadmill). I was told I would need to do that every two years to maintain my Class 1 medical. This year (two years later) when I went for my medical I asked the regular doc when my stress ECG was required. "Oh, not for another two years." he said "CAA have conceded that the pilot population is so heavily monitored that there's no need to do it more frequently."
You couldn't make it up, could you?
I am still flying; aerial work only, of course, but I don't have the resources to return to the fray.
Will someone, please, take them on?
I wish someone new would take up the fight. There may be some give in the CAA/EASA now.
In Court I argued that taking cardiac event statistics from the general public (ie British Heart Foundation data) was inappropriate for one of the most medically tested sectors of the general population. Two Barristers, two professors of cardiology supported by three solicitors, the CAA's chief medical officer and her deputy argued the converse.
At 65 I was invited to undergo a "stress" ECG (they measure parameters while you jog on a treadmill). I was told I would need to do that every two years to maintain my Class 1 medical. This year (two years later) when I went for my medical I asked the regular doc when my stress ECG was required. "Oh, not for another two years." he said "CAA have conceded that the pilot population is so heavily monitored that there's no need to do it more frequently."
You couldn't make it up, could you?
I am still flying; aerial work only, of course, but I don't have the resources to return to the fray.
Will someone, please, take them on?
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Single Pilot Commercial Operations Beyond Age 60
The action is far from over.
The EASA Advisory Board (with one exception) unanimously supported an approach to EASA on this matter and wrote accordingly.
The European Helicopter Association too supports an extension of mandatory pilot retirement age (subject to enhanced medical and continuing operational competence checks). If you would like to learn more, visit the EHA forum at Helitech International, RAI Amsterdam on 15 October.
Pedro
The EASA Advisory Board (with one exception) unanimously supported an approach to EASA on this matter and wrote accordingly.
The European Helicopter Association too supports an extension of mandatory pilot retirement age (subject to enhanced medical and continuing operational competence checks). If you would like to learn more, visit the EHA forum at Helitech International, RAI Amsterdam on 15 October.
Pedro
I've just read the recent edition of the CAAs Clued Up - a small article in there mentions that the CAA are exploring increasing the age limit for Commercial Balloon Pilots to beyond 65. Whilst I appreciate a balloon may or not be more benign, it will be interesting to see what data it's based upon.
Renewed my class one again last week. (62 now and quite pleased with my non medicated BP of 120/70.)
I enjoyed the aerial work in S Georgia last year. Now I'm a HEMS crewmember (LHS, non flying) and NVG technical crewmember, on a part time basis.
plus any paid aerial/private single pilot flying that's needed.
No single seat HEMS or police flying possible, even though the police flying isn't 'public transport' any more, under EASA rules, (due UK CAA intransigence)
Maintaining a class 1 med I wonder if I can sue for loss of earnings, backdated to age 60, if they amend the 'single pilot age 60 public transport' rule??
I enjoyed the aerial work in S Georgia last year. Now I'm a HEMS crewmember (LHS, non flying) and NVG technical crewmember, on a part time basis.
plus any paid aerial/private single pilot flying that's needed.
No single seat HEMS or police flying possible, even though the police flying isn't 'public transport' any more, under EASA rules, (due UK CAA intransigence)
Maintaining a class 1 med I wonder if I can sue for loss of earnings, backdated to age 60, if they amend the 'single pilot age 60 public transport' rule??