Why bother with a UK PPLH
HeliFirst
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From: Lincoln & Norwich
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"all FE's are 'very' experienced"
My comment is only to point out this is only an assumption and certainly Not Fact.
Sour grapes about what??
I've had my morgages paid off ten years ago
This is not an attack on any individual.
I am in no way upset with James and his progress, I wish him well.
{Nor with the CAA chief for having to live with rules he did not write}
I was trying to findout if anyone knew of a FE with LESS experienced than James!!
I felt it supported the thread that you may be better off with a FAA licence
My comment is only to point out this is only an assumption and certainly Not Fact.
Sour grapes about what??
I've had my morgages paid off ten years agoThis is not an attack on any individual.
I am in no way upset with James and his progress, I wish him well.
{Nor with the CAA chief for having to live with rules he did not write}
I was trying to findout if anyone knew of a FE with LESS experienced than James!!
I felt it supported the thread that you may be better off with a FAA licence
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I based my statement that all FE´s are very experienced on my own experiences with Scandinavian aviation authorities where to my knowledge all FE´s are highly experienced.
I admit that I am not that familiar with UK CAA requirements for FE. However in the case above if the individual has +2000hrs then he´s certainly not inexperienced and actually has good experience for his age.
However back to the original question. It seems to me that the poster "out of date" should reevaluate his view of JAA PPL(H) training and certificate.
He´s information seem to be that LPC are required for all helicopter types which is not true in light of the posts above. The only difference from FAA PPL is that with a JAA PPL he will need to do LPC once a year with an JAA Flight examiner (somewhat experienced
) instead of every two years a BFR with a FAA instructor.
And seriously. It really is a good idea for a PPL to have a thorough checkout once a year since he probably will not be flying much more than 10-50 hrs.
?? 25 min for an LPC! That´s very unusual in the rest of JAA. In my guidelines a 1hr LPC is minimum and if all the maneuvers are completed as required then 1 hr is often not enough. My LPC´s usually last 1.2 to 1.3 hrs.
I admit that I am not that familiar with UK CAA requirements for FE. However in the case above if the individual has +2000hrs then he´s certainly not inexperienced and actually has good experience for his age.
However back to the original question. It seems to me that the poster "out of date" should reevaluate his view of JAA PPL(H) training and certificate.
He´s information seem to be that LPC are required for all helicopter types which is not true in light of the posts above. The only difference from FAA PPL is that with a JAA PPL he will need to do LPC once a year with an JAA Flight examiner (somewhat experienced
) instead of every two years a BFR with a FAA instructor.And seriously. It really is a good idea for a PPL to have a thorough checkout once a year since he probably will not be flying much more than 10-50 hrs.
But an LPC (flight time about 25 to 30 mins) should be a matter of an average of 1.5 hours work for a Brief, Flight Test and Debrief,
Last edited by Aesir; 24th November 2006 at 12:16. Reason: 25min LPC
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Many pilots fly regularly and some may have been flying for years and have a vast amount of experience that does not need to be checked out each year or on each type.
There is nothing wrong with any pilot practising emergency procedures (should they either wish to or need to) however one does not need to be line tested so frequently as proof of capabilities.
If a person has a need to practice any manoeuvre and, for peace of mind would like another pair of more experienced hands next to them. Then there are lots of pilots out there who, like me, are willing and able to sit in as safety pilot to advise/assist /take over or what ever with the confidence of carrying out the same, who do not charge a penny for there services and are just happy to help out.
As for this business of five hours dual and then a type rating test for additional choppers, then once again if you have been sat in with an owner or operator or you have the knowledge/experience to handle the said machine, then that's where the good old Yanks with their FAA licence see common sense and win hands down as you can simply just get in and get on with it.
Now of course everybody is not the same and that's why you have some people passing their GFTs after ninety-five hours or one year and some at thirty five hours or one month but the need to penalise everyone is out of order. Can you imagine if you had to take a re-val. of your car test every year and in addition for every different vehicle that you drive, no way hoseh. It's high time our Gestapo CAA took a leaf out of the FAA and followed suit.
It all boils down to freedom of choice if you want to take extra lessons or extra checks/tests, no problem, but it should be up to you and not forced on you.
There is nothing wrong with any pilot practising emergency procedures (should they either wish to or need to) however one does not need to be line tested so frequently as proof of capabilities.
If a person has a need to practice any manoeuvre and, for peace of mind would like another pair of more experienced hands next to them. Then there are lots of pilots out there who, like me, are willing and able to sit in as safety pilot to advise/assist /take over or what ever with the confidence of carrying out the same, who do not charge a penny for there services and are just happy to help out.
As for this business of five hours dual and then a type rating test for additional choppers, then once again if you have been sat in with an owner or operator or you have the knowledge/experience to handle the said machine, then that's where the good old Yanks with their FAA licence see common sense and win hands down as you can simply just get in and get on with it.
Now of course everybody is not the same and that's why you have some people passing their GFTs after ninety-five hours or one year and some at thirty five hours or one month but the need to penalise everyone is out of order. Can you imagine if you had to take a re-val. of your car test every year and in addition for every different vehicle that you drive, no way hoseh. It's high time our Gestapo CAA took a leaf out of the FAA and followed suit.
It all boils down to freedom of choice if you want to take extra lessons or extra checks/tests, no problem, but it should be up to you and not forced on you.
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Up and away - what rubbish you speak. The CAA does not allow each school to have an examiner. Where do you get this info from ? Fred Cross only allows a certain amount in the country - ask Bounemouth helicoters ! Who are not allowed to nominate one.
You have to be recommeneded to be an FE but that does not mean you will get it. You have to prove to the caa your ability and experience and the fact there is a need in your area for an examiner
You have to be recommeneded to be an FE but that does not mean you will get it. You have to prove to the caa your ability and experience and the fact there is a need in your area for an examiner
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Up and away, it is you being abusive to others on the forum. You obviously have an axe to grind with Hields examiner. What I have written is different from your views and "as it is".
Please tell all what is your beef so we can all be better informed on your superior knowledge ! Before you are under any missaprehensions I was refering to your first post. Incidentally experience if you mean hours does not mean you are a good pilot. I have examined many professional pilots with a serious amount of hours who quite frankly would be put to shame by some low houred ppl's. Please inform us how you would decide who should be an examiner and who shouldn't
Please tell all what is your beef so we can all be better informed on your superior knowledge ! Before you are under any missaprehensions I was refering to your first post. Incidentally experience if you mean hours does not mean you are a good pilot. I have examined many professional pilots with a serious amount of hours who quite frankly would be put to shame by some low houred ppl's. Please inform us how you would decide who should be an examiner and who shouldn't
