Huey saga set to land in court
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Frelonius Maximus wrote:
I tried. How do we go about viewing the airframes at HeliBase?
... come see for yourself, you, CAA and anyone else who wants to is welcome to come check for themselves.
Why has no one ever taken the Brothers G up on this offer, scared this thread might run dry??
Why has no one ever taken the Brothers G up on this offer, scared this thread might run dry??
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Howzit Dean, We're hard at work painting floors, doing internal audits AND getting the Frelon's blades on this weekend in preperation for CAA's visit Tuesday. We'll call you Wed, have your camera ready.
Of course, I realise I'm opening myself to all manner of comment re hiding the parts etc, etc, etc. but that's how things stand. I'm not the person who gives the permission, I'm only the one trying to inform the other readers out there of whats really going on here.
By the way, we've broken all our previous records in terms of sales today!
Regarding the 'lawnmower mechanic' did you (all) know that he holds a current FAA A.I. open catagory as well as FAA A&E licence.
Also he is the ONLY Bell SWFA agent in Africa?
See you Wednesday I hope.
Of course, I realise I'm opening myself to all manner of comment re hiding the parts etc, etc, etc. but that's how things stand. I'm not the person who gives the permission, I'm only the one trying to inform the other readers out there of whats really going on here.
By the way, we've broken all our previous records in terms of sales today!
Regarding the 'lawnmower mechanic' did you (all) know that he holds a current FAA A.I. open catagory as well as FAA A&E licence.
Also he is the ONLY Bell SWFA agent in Africa?
See you Wednesday I hope.
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Frelonius sounds more and more like the Fox in the hole. If he is, hes telling a fib or two as posted above. If hes not, hes close enough to Foxie to kiss him on the back of the neck.......
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Umm – Frelonious Max
Please don’t take this wrong – but what’s :-
I hold an FAA A&P (Airframe & Powerplant) – but not an IA (Inspection Authorisation / Approval)
Please don’t take this wrong – but what’s :-
FAA A.I. open catagory as well as FAA A&E licence
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Yello all
Yeah, sorry A.T.Rep, forgive my ignorance on the FAA terminology.
its A&P and I.A. as you say.
As for you Bert, Helibase has the only Frelon around, so no Noddy Badges to you for FINALLY figuring that I'm involved there! DUH!
Last two blades on today, pitch corrections, then blade track on Monday probably.
Hi ho, hi ho,
Later chaps, fly safe.
Yeah, sorry A.T.Rep, forgive my ignorance on the FAA terminology.
its A&P and I.A. as you say.
As for you Bert, Helibase has the only Frelon around, so no Noddy Badges to you for FINALLY figuring that I'm involved there! DUH!
Last two blades on today, pitch corrections, then blade track on Monday probably.
Hi ho, hi ho,
Later chaps, fly safe.
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Your forgiven.
Just don’t want anyone to tell me I need an “A&E” when I get my tools here and start “hands on” during quiet “rep-ing” times.
Besides – you may have known something I don’t – many do
I take it you’ve seen http://www.caa.co.za/resource%20cent...%20DP%201D.pdf
I would think it applies to you or at least the operation you’re involved in.
Only been to CPT once – so can’t really comment on much – but I will say I hope you get everything working – and really hope you bear in mind all operators of unusual types have a major responsibility – if you lose one (especially with pax on board) it’ll not only hurt you but affect all other people trying to do this everywhere as other NAA’s will use it as an excuse to close down the people in their country.
I think you need to be “white than white” even more so than the average airline.
Just don’t want anyone to tell me I need an “A&E” when I get my tools here and start “hands on” during quiet “rep-ing” times.
Besides – you may have known something I don’t – many do
I take it you’ve seen http://www.caa.co.za/resource%20cent...%20DP%201D.pdf
I would think it applies to you or at least the operation you’re involved in.
Only been to CPT once – so can’t really comment on much – but I will say I hope you get everything working – and really hope you bear in mind all operators of unusual types have a major responsibility – if you lose one (especially with pax on board) it’ll not only hurt you but affect all other people trying to do this everywhere as other NAA’s will use it as an excuse to close down the people in their country.
I think you need to be “white than white” even more so than the average airline.
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Hey there A.T.Rep, I couldnt agree with you more!
I wonder what makes some people think we value OUR lives any less than any other operators? Do they honestly think we say," aah stuff it, I'll just use this old gash component on my helo, I dont care if I die today"? We arent sending the Huey out on lease with other pilots, although it does happen from time to time, we're flying it ourselves, and we dont have a death wish.
Anyway, when you do arrive in our neck of the woods, the pub opens at 17h00. Everybody who doesnt wish us ill is welcome.
Looking forward to making your aquaintance.
F.M.
PS Your humility is refreshing
I wonder what makes some people think we value OUR lives any less than any other operators? Do they honestly think we say," aah stuff it, I'll just use this old gash component on my helo, I dont care if I die today"? We arent sending the Huey out on lease with other pilots, although it does happen from time to time, we're flying it ourselves, and we dont have a death wish.
Anyway, when you do arrive in our neck of the woods, the pub opens at 17h00. Everybody who doesnt wish us ill is welcome.
Looking forward to making your aquaintance.
F.M.
PS Your humility is refreshing
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Everybody who doesnt wish us ill is welcome.
Your very fortunate to be in South Africa where the Government is pretty much far down the food chain and Law Enforcement is nonexistant.
Life today is about making a dollar and it seems Helibase is pretty good at doing that at others expense. Im a gambler and am betting someday your going to run onto a customer who may just surprise you.
Place your bets
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Yeah Bert, we KNOW youre a gambler (or busker).Methinks youve got your levers mixed up... the one that (you hope ) results in 777 is NOT the collective!
Safe aviating everyone!
Safe aviating everyone!
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Yeah Bert, we KNOW youre a gambler (or busker).Methinks youve got your levers mixed up... the one that (you hope ) results in 777 is NOT the collective!
Want to match qualifications??
As for you Bert, Helibase has the only Frelon around, so no Noddy Badges to you for FINALLY figuring that I'm involved there! DUH!
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Qualification Comparison
No way Bert! You beat me hands down on that one! Other than the occasional LOTTO ticket, I dont gamble at all. Youre DEFINITELY more qualified in that field than I will EVER be!
As for insurance... I hear there's a chap somewhere around here who would have loaded his policy had he known you were gonna drop a pole on him!
Har!
As for insurance... I hear there's a chap somewhere around here who would have loaded his policy had he known you were gonna drop a pole on him!
Har!
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I hear there's a chap somewhere around here who would have loaded his policy had he known you were gonna drop a pole on him!
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I hear Supervan appeared on National Television this week threatening to take the SACAA and Waterfront Company to the Constitutional Court.
Just out of interest, why would he want to do that?
He says his Huey is fully SACAA compliant, yet the Commissioner says "nada". So what's actually the motive? Surely the line between what's right and wrong is pretty clear?
Just out of interest, why would he want to do that?
He says his Huey is fully SACAA compliant, yet the Commissioner says "nada". So what's actually the motive? Surely the line between what's right and wrong is pretty clear?
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Im a gambler and am betting someday your going to run onto a customer who may just surprise you.
Could it be that this may have happened..Instead of having just one person on his ass, it appears its now everyone he has to do business with.
I read an interesting document the other day with regards to one of the the latest aquisitions( as temporary as that may be)
ITs says in part and I quote" XXXX also confirms that the above Helicopter WILL REMAIN UNDER THE JUSRISDICTION OF THE FREIGHT COMPANY AND THE SOUTH AFRICAN CUSTOMS/PORT AUTHORITY UNTIL SUCH TIME AS ALL THE DOCUMENTS....blah blah blah.....WITH CONFIRMATION OF THE TRANSER OF THE BALANCE OF THE PURCHASE PRICE of U.S. XXXX.."
Sort of cut and dry to me. You dont get a Helicopter till you pay for it or you do something devious to get it out of the box.
I guess further translated that may say when you do everything deviously, whats the surprise here.
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Not lies, Bert, and you KNOW it! So do the other five people also injured in the same incident. Why you so touchy bout this if it never happened. As for you A.I. ... youre the last one who should be pointing fingers, what say?
Ps Why is the A1 still at Helibase? I'm told it wasnt even Jamies to sell. Perhaps that explains the missing docs?
Ps Why is the A1 still at Helibase? I'm told it wasnt even Jamies to sell. Perhaps that explains the missing docs?
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Not lies, Bert, and you KNOW it! So do the other five people also injured in the same incident. Why you so touchy bout this if it never happened
Anyway enough said. It was discussed before and went nowhere.
Now that I have your attention.........How about a comment on this one:
" XXXX also confirms that the above Helicopter WILL REMAIN UNDER THE JUSRISDICTION OF THE FREIGHT COMPANY AND THE SOUTH AFRICAN CUSTOMS/PORT AUTHORITY UNTIL SUCH TIME AS ALL THE DOCUMENTS....blah blah blah.....WITH CONFIRMATION OF THE TRANSER OF THE BALANCE OF THE PURCHASE PRICE of U.S. XXXX.."
See Cape Time article below - on the same page was a story on Select (Gary Fox) who is taking the seller (AATE) of one Bell 205A-1 to the Cape High court demanding Export CofA, manuals etc before balance of purchase price is paid . I could'nt access a copy on the Cape Times site - but it's worth a read - brave boys shipping an ac to jackals with only a deposit paid, now they find themselves in court - $666,000 and one Huey short! You go guys keep that SA aviation flag waving proudly.
Cape Times
Huey helicopter wrangle flips to Constitutional Court
November 11, 2005
By Melanie Gosling
The protracted legal wrangle over a Cape Town company's operating ex-Vietnam War Huey helicopters has now reached the Constitutional Court.
This is the latest round of legal action involving the Civil Aviation Authority (CAA), the V&A Waterfront and the Huey Extreme Club of businessman Gary van der Merwe.
Van der Merwe owns 15 of the ex-Vietnam War choppers, designed and built by Bell company for the US military.
The choppers, made famous worldwide in countless Vietnam war movies, are popular with tourists looking for "the Vietnam experience", who pay R870 each for a flip up the West Coast or R900 for a flip over the Peninsula. Because the Hueys are ex-military aircraft, the company may not sell the flights commercially, so instead it sells passengers a one-day membership of the Huey Club for R870 or R900 and the passengers fly "free of charge" for that trip.
The CAA believes the Huey helicopter used for flips is not airworthy and grounded it in December 2003.
Van der Merwe, who believes the Hueys are among the safest aircraft in the world, took the CAA to court and won.
The grounding order was set aside and the chopper flew again, operating out of the V&A Waterfront.
In January 2004 the CAA issued a second grounding order, which Van der Merwe said he would ignore as he had a high court order setting aside the first grounding order.
Then, because of the second grounding order, the Waterfront took the club to court, claiming that each time it flew from the helipad "in contravention of the grounding order", it put the Waterfront "at serious risk".
The CAA supported the Waterfont's efforts to enforce the grounding.
The Huey Club won the case, allowing it to continue operating.
The Waterfront appealed and in September the Supreme Court of
Appeal ordered that the company stop operating from the Waterfront pending the upliftment of the second grounding order.
Now Van der Merwe has taken the issue to the Constitutional Court on a collateral challenge, where the court must decide whether the Waterfront was acting on behalf of the CAA.
Cape Times
Huey helicopter wrangle flips to Constitutional Court
November 11, 2005
By Melanie Gosling
The protracted legal wrangle over a Cape Town company's operating ex-Vietnam War Huey helicopters has now reached the Constitutional Court.
This is the latest round of legal action involving the Civil Aviation Authority (CAA), the V&A Waterfront and the Huey Extreme Club of businessman Gary van der Merwe.
Van der Merwe owns 15 of the ex-Vietnam War choppers, designed and built by Bell company for the US military.
The choppers, made famous worldwide in countless Vietnam war movies, are popular with tourists looking for "the Vietnam experience", who pay R870 each for a flip up the West Coast or R900 for a flip over the Peninsula. Because the Hueys are ex-military aircraft, the company may not sell the flights commercially, so instead it sells passengers a one-day membership of the Huey Club for R870 or R900 and the passengers fly "free of charge" for that trip.
The CAA believes the Huey helicopter used for flips is not airworthy and grounded it in December 2003.
Van der Merwe, who believes the Hueys are among the safest aircraft in the world, took the CAA to court and won.
The grounding order was set aside and the chopper flew again, operating out of the V&A Waterfront.
In January 2004 the CAA issued a second grounding order, which Van der Merwe said he would ignore as he had a high court order setting aside the first grounding order.
Then, because of the second grounding order, the Waterfront took the club to court, claiming that each time it flew from the helipad "in contravention of the grounding order", it put the Waterfront "at serious risk".
The CAA supported the Waterfont's efforts to enforce the grounding.
The Huey Club won the case, allowing it to continue operating.
The Waterfront appealed and in September the Supreme Court of
Appeal ordered that the company stop operating from the Waterfront pending the upliftment of the second grounding order.
Now Van der Merwe has taken the issue to the Constitutional Court on a collateral challenge, where the court must decide whether the Waterfront was acting on behalf of the CAA.
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November 11, 2005: Cape Times
Chopper held at harbour as transatlantic dispute continues
By Fatima Schroeder
A local aviation company has taken a US-based firm to the Cape High Court, claiming it has not yet received a Bell 205A-1 helicopter it had purchased.
The local company, Select Aviation Services (Select), says the US company, Advanced Aviation Technology Enterprises (AATE), agreed to store the helicopter at Select's premises after it had paid a 10% deposit.
To date it has not received the helicopter.
But AATE says the full purchase price should be paid.
The high court has issued an interim interdict against AATE, which directs the sheriff to hold the aircraft at Select's premises.
In an affidavit before the court, aviation engineer Gary Fox said Select had entered into an agreement with AATE in February in terms of which AATE sold the helicopter to Select for US$740 000.
It was agreed that Select would pay a US$74 000 deposit before the helicopter would be shipped to Cape Town.
Fox said the aircraft was supposed to be stored at Select's premises in Cape Town where there are specific hangars to house specialised aircraft.
He said that the deposit had been paid in August but a dispute over the terms of the agreement ensued; this includes an allegation by Select that AATE had breached the agreement by refusing to store the helicopter at Select's premises.
It also alleges it should only pay the outstanding US$666 000 once AATE has delivered all additional items including manuals, airworthiness certificates and ground handling wheels.
The helicopter arrived in SA in September and is at the main container terminal at Cape Town harbour.
But AATE denied that it was obliged to provide the export certificate of airworthiness or deregister the helicopter prior to full payment.
AATE president Ronald Hill threatened to return the aircraft to the US if there were further delays in payment, saying.
The balance of the purchase price has become due and payable.
Select was not entitled to demand delivery of the helicopter, he said, adding that there was no mention of additional items in the agreement.
Justice Roger Cleaver postponed the application to February 20.
By Fatima Schroeder
A local aviation company has taken a US-based firm to the Cape High Court, claiming it has not yet received a Bell 205A-1 helicopter it had purchased.
The local company, Select Aviation Services (Select), says the US company, Advanced Aviation Technology Enterprises (AATE), agreed to store the helicopter at Select's premises after it had paid a 10% deposit.
To date it has not received the helicopter.
But AATE says the full purchase price should be paid.
The high court has issued an interim interdict against AATE, which directs the sheriff to hold the aircraft at Select's premises.
In an affidavit before the court, aviation engineer Gary Fox said Select had entered into an agreement with AATE in February in terms of which AATE sold the helicopter to Select for US$740 000.
It was agreed that Select would pay a US$74 000 deposit before the helicopter would be shipped to Cape Town.
Fox said the aircraft was supposed to be stored at Select's premises in Cape Town where there are specific hangars to house specialised aircraft.
He said that the deposit had been paid in August but a dispute over the terms of the agreement ensued; this includes an allegation by Select that AATE had breached the agreement by refusing to store the helicopter at Select's premises.
It also alleges it should only pay the outstanding US$666 000 once AATE has delivered all additional items including manuals, airworthiness certificates and ground handling wheels.
The helicopter arrived in SA in September and is at the main container terminal at Cape Town harbour.
But AATE denied that it was obliged to provide the export certificate of airworthiness or deregister the helicopter prior to full payment.
AATE president Ronald Hill threatened to return the aircraft to the US if there were further delays in payment, saying.
The balance of the purchase price has become due and payable.
Select was not entitled to demand delivery of the helicopter, he said, adding that there was no mention of additional items in the agreement.
Justice Roger Cleaver postponed the application to February 20.
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Ho Bert,
This really is the way to do bussiness. First you scale the helo off Jamie, then strip it in the night like in "Grand theft Helo", then when the cops get there with the real owner, you get a court order to keep the stolen goods because the owner owes you 200kUS storage fees for the stuff you scaled off him. Now you know why it is called " The Cape High Circus". Also, the christmas season is coming and the Huey CVC has been banned from the Waterfront, so now Huey HUI with all Jamies bits on it without the paperwork because Jamie was not totally convinced and kept the logbooks, by the way the Court heard that "When we scaled the thing off Jamie the logbooks were not there so we are keeping the thing until Jamie gives us the logbooks so that we can rip him off totally" Makes perfect sense in the Cape High Circus. Also, the lost case in Bloemfontein was followed by a 3.6 mill payout to the Waterfront and the CAA so the theft of Jamies Huey was out of necessity ,not greed. The law scool dropuot was complaining in the restruant last week that he has got 42 court cases running for Big G, ranging from illegal occupation of a public beach through the helibase illegality to the hangar guys who ripped them off. Imagine how many he could handle if he was a real lawyer. Anyhow, as long as HUI has got Jamies stolen bits on it the chances of the inevitable happening will take a bit longer. There have been 8 forced landings/crashes/emergencies in two years, so the 9th one could be it. Still no Operating Certificate, still no insurance, still no paperwork for the parts and still the unqualified lawnmower mechanic working on the thing. Now you know why when the cops got to helibase and when asked the lawn mower mechanic and big G to identify themslves they gave the cops a brown eye , just proves their real identity.
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This really is the way to do bussiness. First you scale the helo off Jamie, then strip it in the night like in "Grand theft Helo", then when the cops get there with the real owner, you get a court order to keep the stolen goods because the owner owes you 200kUS storage fees for the stuff you scaled off him. Now you know why it is called " The Cape High Circus". Also, the christmas season is coming and the Huey CVC has been banned from the Waterfront, so now Huey HUI with all Jamies bits on it without the paperwork because Jamie was not totally convinced and kept the logbooks, by the way the Court heard that "When we scaled the thing off Jamie the logbooks were not there so we are keeping the thing until Jamie gives us the logbooks so that we can rip him off totally" Makes perfect sense in the Cape High Circus. Also, the lost case in Bloemfontein was followed by a 3.6 mill payout to the Waterfront and the CAA so the theft of Jamies Huey was out of necessity ,not greed. The law scool dropuot was complaining in the restruant last week that he has got 42 court cases running for Big G, ranging from illegal occupation of a public beach through the helibase illegality to the hangar guys who ripped them off. Imagine how many he could handle if he was a real lawyer. Anyhow, as long as HUI has got Jamies stolen bits on it the chances of the inevitable happening will take a bit longer. There have been 8 forced landings/crashes/emergencies in two years, so the 9th one could be it. Still no Operating Certificate, still no insurance, still no paperwork for the parts and still the unqualified lawnmower mechanic working on the thing. Now you know why when the cops got to helibase and when asked the lawn mower mechanic and big G to identify themslves they gave the cops a brown eye , just proves their real identity.
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