Huey saga set to land in court

[Latent Heat]

Rhodie, in my previous post i said that it would be my last and it was up until now.

IGNITE is NOT me.

[Deanw]

Newly registered in South Africa:

02-Sep-2005 ZU-RAS Bell UH-1H 13726
Helibase (Pty) Ltd

02-Sep-2005 ZU-UHI Bell UH-1H 13729
Helibase (Pty) Ltd

[Latent Heat]

Thats great news Dean, keep posting as there will be more to come.

Maybe helibase can sell one to ol Elvis....he will be needing one real bad in the near future.

May the Huey grace the skies - Long live the Legend!

Credit to where it is due.

After getting into a tiff with Goffel some thread back we ended up chatting on the phone and i found this guy really amazing. Would sit down with a beer and a bull**** with him anyday.

As for the rest, im sure i can say the same.

This Pprune site is awsome for the indusrty yet at the same time it can be bad. I myself am guilty of being malicious and at time have made personal attacks to certain people. (you know how some twitch the bait - i myself am hungry and most times cant resist when it is good)

We need to pull together in oder to take aviation in this country forward. I notice that many have hard opinions against the SACAA and well as certain operators.

Why not (its not easy as most are around and about) gettoget one a month someplace and brainstorm, find a common goal and strive towards it. Bert, im afraid what i say here might get me dragged down your Las Vegas strip but it is worth a shot anyway.

Any comment and opinion will be appreciated.

[B Sousa]

I have no problem with hueys done correctly. Time will tell.
I also see that the two Hueys Registered seem to be missing a few numbers on the serial numbers.. Is this the start of a long thread??
Bell 204/205/UH-1s have two digits (indicating year) followed by a dash and usually five numbers after that?? Any answers??
Could be they are not of U.S. manufacture

[Deanw]

Hi Bert

Perhaps you're referring to the US Mil serial number (ie, fiscal year of contract order, followed by airframe sequence number), while these are the actual manufacturers construction numbers?

[ramondphillips]

Latent Heat, I agree with you regarding this site, it has great value, however can be so destructive and abused by those who would gain by descrediting another. I wonder how many people went to Google and searched sanjo69. I did as I couldn't understand why this guy had so much passion, especially as the school had obviously worked so hard to get his flying done in such a short period of time, and he had complemented his Instructor.

From my search it became clear that here was a person that uses all he can to eploit a situation to get more than he is due, in fact he claims to be a bit of an authority on it. Giving advice on one web site and writing to a moderator offering his services as a fired employee on another. The best of course is this one:

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So much for the integrity and morals he shouts about from the pedestal PPRUNE gave him!

[B Sousa]

Perhaps you're referring to the US Mil serial number (ie, fiscal year of contract order, followed by airframe sequence number), while these are the actual manufacturers construction numbers?

As I said before if it was manufactured by Bell and not military it may be different. But then again the tail rotor would be on the right side.
Im assuming these are ex-military therfore something is not correct. Could be non U.S. OR somebody is playing with the plates................................. again..

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Ha Ha
Raymond, give the guy a break. Im betting he gets some answers........

[Wyatt Earp]

Huey in Cape Town

Hey Bert,
How come you keep asking these embarrasing questions all the time. As far as the numbers go, you may recall that the Hueys that were built by Dornier in Germany were built under the agreemant with Bell that when the Krauts were done with guarding the border the Hueys would be stripped of their data plates and sold as scrap. This was done and the scrap was sold off to the manyana boys in downtown South America. That scrap has now found its way to good old RS of A with "new" South West Aviation data plates off the Sherriff hueys that were" traded" for favoures in the Hurricane riddled South. So, when the "Backyaed mechanic and the Law School dropout " registered the Hueys they got a bit mixed up with the numbers, like all amateur crooks do. You got to admit that when Latent Heat sprouts his "Huey gonna win the war" again you find it really is just the basics again. scrap Hueys with scrap parts from dodgey past to pull a hood deal on the public. As you said, legal Huey is good but in fact legal Huey is as far fetched as Latent Heat getting a Comm licence or the Law school dropout qualifying to join the Joberg snake pit. It all changes but really all stays the same.

[B Sousa]

Wyatt.............Now thats a new one here..........I see you also dont hold back........
Have not seen them so I didnt know these were the many traveled Hueys...........

Welcome to the OK Corral........

[Deanw]

From the SAAF News list:

ZU-RAS ex USAF 74-22402 - Ethiopian serial not known.

ZU-UHI ex USAF 74-22405 - Ethiopian serial not known.

[Latent Heat]

Mr Moderator, any chance that you can confirm that Wyatt Earp, Twomember and Rotorhead are from the same IP address?

Regards
LH

[alwaysinverted]

Mr. LH, why do you always react so violently to criticism? One moment you want to make peace with everybody, and the next minute you want to malign everybody, and the next minute you're threatening people with "the day will come."

Definately not the way to go! This is after all a rumour network, you stated so yourself, and people are entitled to express their opinions on this forum, whether true, false or rumour.

If you want to be accepted into the aviation world you so desperately want to be in, start acting like a gentleman, not like some moronic bozo that wants to beat up everyone that says something adverse about your Huey.

Great post Wyatt!

[Latent Heat]

Alwaysinverted, im sorry if i have upset you. I will do my best in future not to react so violently as you say.

Its extremely hard to make it in the aviation industry, i try my best to do the right thing and i am loyal to the man who pays my coin. (although we do have our indifferences)

Its not easy to sit back and ignore (although this is a rumour network) what some people post. Im in house here, im know for sure that the operation is going fowrd for the better. The so-called backyard mechanic is in fact one hell of a good one with all the paper work required to do the job..legally.

The so called law school drop out is in fact one of the nicest people one could know...you know him yourself and can vouch for that.

This mess that we are in (once all good friends, braais etc..tassies, wine was all enjoyed in better times).

With this i leave you to have a great evening...

Cheers

[B Sousa]

Thanks Dean.
Looks Like Wyatt was correct...........J-U-N-K

22402 (c/n 13726) to EAF773 (Ethiopian AF?). Stripped forward fuselage noted at
Solitude, South Africa Feb 10, 2002.

22405 (c/n 13720) to EAF775 (Ethiopian AF?). Stripped forward fuselage noted at
Solitude, South Africa Feb 10, 2002 bearing registration ZU-DUP (believed false)

[Deanw]

22405 (c/n 13720) to EAF775

C/n 13729?

[alwaysinverted]

Chatted with one of the former engineers there, and got this info.


ZU-UHI is the former Ethiopian 774. Apparently it is in good nick with very low AF time.

ZU-RAS is one of the former Rhodesian AB 205's, (Ex Israeli)known to the engineer as Zim 6. This was one of the better ex Rhodesian "shells" they bought in a batch of four. They painted it, fitted new windscreens and chin bubbles, and carried out some other repairs to it. According to the engineer, it's impossible for it to have an Ethiopian Serial number, as the Ethiopian helicopters were stock standard UH-1H's, and the ex Rhodesian machines, were AB 205's with AB serial numbers and data plates. Proof that it's an ex Rhodesian AB205, is the fact that it is equipped and fitted with a hoist, he says. None of the ET machines had hoists or roof fittings for a hoist.

There were originally 4 Ethiopian UH-1H's. One that could fly and one that was repaired and could be made flyable. The other two were bare airframes, completely stripped of all components, and not feasible for rebuilt, and to date, they're still just completely stripped out shells.

So, it is doubtful that the 2 newly registered helicopters are indeed ex Ethiopian Army.

[B Sousa]

quote:
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22405 (c/n 13720) to EAF775
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C/n 13729?


Dean
I assume you posted these as a question. My post above was from the List of U.S. Serial numbers. If the production numbers are different it should not surprise anyone. Somebody may have changed something........

So, it is doubtful that the 2 newly registered helicopters are indeed ex Ethiopian Army.

AI, the serial numbers that DeanW listed were run through the U.S. dispostion of Aircraft. The two 74 numbers were transfered to the folks up in the sandy north. If those are the two serial numbers registered in SA, then they either are correct or they are data plated from other aircraft.
Maybe if LH would drop the serial numbers that match the aircraft registered we could end the confusion and he would be happy..... Im sure SACAA has no clue.

[Kennel Keeper]

My My My but some people can not just but out of something they know nothing about???

A certain member of the said SACAA was working for the then warbirds international who brought all the 39 aircraft out of ET.
How would you go about B@#$%#$tting him.

The said airframes were in fact standing at Solitude in my care and were in the process of being rebuilt for sale to Cape Town.
Parts may have been stripped from some but they were in fact all completely stripped down and rebuilt from scratch with new parts bought from a local Bell dealer. Check if you dare.

I also recall having posted previously the entire history of all the machine right here on pprune and invited anyone at the time I was at Helibase to come and inspect the papers!!

Incidentally ET tail 774 only had 384 hours total time since new (a 74 dash us serial number) and was repaired in ET after a hard landing by a subcontractor to Agusta Bell before being sold to Warbirds. Fact : all the new parts were supplied through Agusta in Italy through a sub contractor.

I left the company to pursue further interests in the same Ethiopian collection for anyone assuming I left for other reasons.
I visited Helibase the other day to help them with specialist tools and was amazed how much better things are going there.

So for all those negative gits BUT OUT or come along for the ride.

Heres hoping the YPT show will maybe see the Huey (771 ET) flying with its old friend from ET tail no ??? (Dean knows)>

[B Sousa]

Who let the dogs out...Woof Woof

So for all those negative gits BUT OUT or come along for the ride.

You must be joking..........

Instead of all the diatribe why dont you clear up the revolving number game..........What do they put the data plates on with ..Velcro??

[Deanw]

B Sousa wrote:

22405 (c/n 13720) to EAF775

The reason I queried this is that the following is found at http://home.att.net/~jbaugher/1974.html :

22405 (c/n 13729) to EAF775 (Ethiopian AF?). Stripped forward fuselage noted at Solitude, South Africa Feb 10, 2002 bearing registration ZU-DUP (believed false)