Pilots who went on strike let go by PHI
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So tell me, if the union finally stop the strike and pardon my ignorance but not sure what happens from here on out, and the pilots all end up with no jobs, no income and no livlihood what does the union do for them, anything, or just say sorry boys it didnt work but you are on your own.
Just trying to understand here what will happen to all the pilots who stuck their necks on the line.
Ned
Just trying to understand here what will happen to all the pilots who stuck their necks on the line.
Ned
STRIKE'S OVER, Pilots ordered to cease strike action.
After today's meeting, the pilots were directed to cease their strike action and make themselves available to return to work.
We'll see now how things have been affected.
We'll see now how things have been affected.
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This should be real interesting, wonder how many of the guys will get their jobs back.
Does PHI have to take them back under the law or can they just say bugger off we dont want you anymore. ??
Previous posts have said that AG has basically taken steps to replace the positions these guys have/had. Now that strike action has ceased does he have to fire those that he hired before.
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Does PHI have to take them back under the law or can they just say bugger off we dont want you anymore. ??
Previous posts have said that AG has basically taken steps to replace the positions these guys have/had. Now that strike action has ceased does he have to fire those that he hired before.
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The central theme of this strike, that PHI never intended to come to an agreement with the union, and that Al is carrying out a preconceived plan to rid the company of local 108, is a misjudgment of monumental proportions.
Take a leap of faith, Stan, and consider for a minute the possibility that PHI did indeed make a sincere effort at reaching an agreement with the union.
So what is the way forward? Local 108 is still the authorized bargaining agent. They still have the power to ratify a CBA which includes their right to exist. There's nothing PHI can do about that. Rhetoric aside, Al can't actually bust the union. But the union sure as hell can self-destruct.
Take a leap of faith, Stan, and consider for a minute the possibility that PHI did indeed make a sincere effort at reaching an agreement with the union.
So what is the way forward? Local 108 is still the authorized bargaining agent. They still have the power to ratify a CBA which includes their right to exist. There's nothing PHI can do about that. Rhetoric aside, Al can't actually bust the union. But the union sure as hell can self-destruct.
I think PHI's actions in response to the union's offer to return to work will make it very clear which view is correct. Personally, I hope you are right.
-Stan-
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FSI staff working for PHI
I have heard that a number of the West Palm FSI Full time employees are working contract with PHI.
... with the approval of the FSI board because there is some co-mingling Boards Members of the 2 companies?
What's that about anyway?
... with the approval of the FSI board because there is some co-mingling Boards Members of the 2 companies?
What's that about anyway?
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wde,
I believe that is pure rumor and quite untrue.
During the strike, I was told by a friend in FSI management that no FSI pilots were anywhere near PHI aircraft, and did not fly any missions. One ground instructor for mechanics was in the facility for some time, classroom training them.
I dont know anything about board of directors.
I believe that is pure rumor and quite untrue.
During the strike, I was told by a friend in FSI management that no FSI pilots were anywhere near PHI aircraft, and did not fly any missions. One ground instructor for mechanics was in the facility for some time, classroom training them.
I dont know anything about board of directors.
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At first I thought this was merely interesting reading since I don't have dog in this fight. However, on second thought, I probably do. As a U.S. helicopter pilot, the ramifications of this struggle will probably affect the entire U.S. helo industry (including me) somehow.
I believe that this is just one more significant event in the ongoing labor problems with this company. I think labor law requires the company to accept the returning strikers. So PHI still has a union -- which is obviously disgruntled -- and still doesn't have a collective bargaining agreement. Nothing is really settled. What's next?
I believe that this is just one more significant event in the ongoing labor problems with this company. I think labor law requires the company to accept the returning strikers. So PHI still has a union -- which is obviously disgruntled -- and still doesn't have a collective bargaining agreement. Nothing is really settled. What's next?
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WDE:
There are no directors of FSI and PHI which are the same or are "co-mingled".
PHI is a publicly traded company with both voting and non-voting stock. Since it is a publicly traded company it is required to have an independent board as defined by SEC and NASDAQ rules and regulations. The directors of PHI can be found on the website or in PHI's public filings filed with the SEC. (note "director" in america is a term which refers to the Board of a Company rather than an officer or employee of a company.)
FSI is not a publicly traded company. It is a wholly owned subsidiary of Berkshire Hathaway. As a wholly owned subsidiary, it is not required to have a board as it is part of Berkshire Hathaway and Berkshire Hathaway has its own board as required by the SEC and the NYSE.
There are no directors of PHI which are directors of FSI. There is a Thomas S. Murphy on the board of Berkshire Hathaway who was the former CEO and Chairman of Capital Cities ABC and there is a Thomas H. Murphy on the board of PHI but these are two different people.
There are no directors of FSI and PHI which are the same or are "co-mingled".
PHI is a publicly traded company with both voting and non-voting stock. Since it is a publicly traded company it is required to have an independent board as defined by SEC and NASDAQ rules and regulations. The directors of PHI can be found on the website or in PHI's public filings filed with the SEC. (note "director" in america is a term which refers to the Board of a Company rather than an officer or employee of a company.)
FSI is not a publicly traded company. It is a wholly owned subsidiary of Berkshire Hathaway. As a wholly owned subsidiary, it is not required to have a board as it is part of Berkshire Hathaway and Berkshire Hathaway has its own board as required by the SEC and the NYSE.
There are no directors of PHI which are directors of FSI. There is a Thomas S. Murphy on the board of Berkshire Hathaway who was the former CEO and Chairman of Capital Cities ABC and there is a Thomas H. Murphy on the board of PHI but these are two different people.
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http://www.theadvertiser.com/apps/pb...WS01/611140321
PHI remained quiet Monday on whether it would accept an "unconditional" offer to return to work by its unionized pilots, who now are calling for an end to a nearly two-month-old strike.
The offer was delivered to PHI, an oil and gas and air medical helicopter transport company based in Lafayette, on Friday afternoon after a vote by union members.
The offer was delivered to PHI, an oil and gas and air medical helicopter transport company based in Lafayette, on Friday afternoon after a vote by union members.
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i4iq,
I guess it's a matter of opinion. The union still exists as the legal representative of PHI's pilots, and we still have union lawyers working to ensure that the applicable laws are followed in the process of returning the strikers to work.
But, our bargaining position with respect to a contract is pretty much nil at this point. Additionally, with only something like a third of the pilots still members of the union there's a strong threat that OPEIU will be replaced with another entity at the first opportunity.
Jolly Green,
There is actually a contract currently in place. It consists of the items that were unchanged from the previous contract, plus those items tentatively agreed to during negotiations, plus the terms and conditions imposed by PHI at the beginning of the "self-help" period. Presumably, this is all in the company's favor, and includes none of the disputed items.
-Stan-
I guess it's a matter of opinion. The union still exists as the legal representative of PHI's pilots, and we still have union lawyers working to ensure that the applicable laws are followed in the process of returning the strikers to work.
But, our bargaining position with respect to a contract is pretty much nil at this point. Additionally, with only something like a third of the pilots still members of the union there's a strong threat that OPEIU will be replaced with another entity at the first opportunity.
Jolly Green,
There is actually a contract currently in place. It consists of the items that were unchanged from the previous contract, plus those items tentatively agreed to during negotiations, plus the terms and conditions imposed by PHI at the beginning of the "self-help" period. Presumably, this is all in the company's favor, and includes none of the disputed items.
-Stan-
Two steps back
Seems to me that the gulf will not be a better place to work, except for the companies.
Copter service says pilots ending strike
PHI's victory could hurt union efforts in Gulf
By VICTOR EPSTEIN
Bloomberg News
PHI, the largest provider of helicopter services to oil and natural gas producers in the Gulf of Mexico, said Wednesday that pilots have agreed to return to work after a two-month strike.
The formal offer was received in writing Wednesday from Local 108 of the Office and Professional Employees International Union, Lafayette, La.-based PHI said. The union represented 380 of PHI's 570 pilots at the start of the strike and said it finished with about 200.
The failed labor action is a blow to energy unionization efforts in the Gulf of Mexico, said Roger Read, an analyst with Natexis Bleichroeder in Houston. At its height, the strike idled almost a third of the 1,200 copter pilots operating in the Gulf.
"This outcome is a positive for all the helicopter companies that operate offshore and for those who utilize their services," Read said. "One of the biggest problems with unions is that they tend to place a lot of restrictions on operational flexibility by limiting when, where and what pilots fly. That won't happen now."
PHI and the union had been negotiating a new contract for more than two years before the strike. They disagreed about pay, seniority and benefit issues, including a mandatory overtime provision.
The law requires the company to take back the strikers, said Richard Rovinelli, PHI's chief administrative officer.
"Right now we're still trying to sort through all the terms and conditions," he said.
Pilots crossing union picket lines to return to work undermined the union's negotiating position, Local 108 President Stephen Ragin said.
"I prefer the phrase 'change of strategy' to unconditional surrender," Ragin said. "The whole purpose of the strike was to get PHI to return to the negotiating table, and it wasn't clear they were ever going to do that."
Copter service says pilots ending strike
PHI's victory could hurt union efforts in Gulf
By VICTOR EPSTEIN
Bloomberg News
PHI, the largest provider of helicopter services to oil and natural gas producers in the Gulf of Mexico, said Wednesday that pilots have agreed to return to work after a two-month strike.
The formal offer was received in writing Wednesday from Local 108 of the Office and Professional Employees International Union, Lafayette, La.-based PHI said. The union represented 380 of PHI's 570 pilots at the start of the strike and said it finished with about 200.
The failed labor action is a blow to energy unionization efforts in the Gulf of Mexico, said Roger Read, an analyst with Natexis Bleichroeder in Houston. At its height, the strike idled almost a third of the 1,200 copter pilots operating in the Gulf.
"This outcome is a positive for all the helicopter companies that operate offshore and for those who utilize their services," Read said. "One of the biggest problems with unions is that they tend to place a lot of restrictions on operational flexibility by limiting when, where and what pilots fly. That won't happen now."
PHI and the union had been negotiating a new contract for more than two years before the strike. They disagreed about pay, seniority and benefit issues, including a mandatory overtime provision.
The law requires the company to take back the strikers, said Richard Rovinelli, PHI's chief administrative officer.
"Right now we're still trying to sort through all the terms and conditions," he said.
Pilots crossing union picket lines to return to work undermined the union's negotiating position, Local 108 President Stephen Ragin said.
"I prefer the phrase 'change of strategy' to unconditional surrender," Ragin said. "The whole purpose of the strike was to get PHI to return to the negotiating table, and it wasn't clear they were ever going to do that."
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http://www.aero-news.net/index.cfm?c...e-92d5ca84326c
http://www.aero-news.net/index.cfm?c...e-92d5ca84326c
As Aero-News reported last week, PHI responded to the union's offer November 15 -- five days after the union announced it was ending its labor action. The company didn't accept the offer, however... instead stating it would respond after management gave the deal a thorough going-over.
Seems to be some resolution
Pilots, PHI OK partial pact
Arrangement in federal court allows return to work Jan. 29
Jason Brown
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PHI and its unionized pilots reached a partial understanding in federal court Thursday on how and when the company would return to work those pilots still out following a union strike.
The agreement will allow some 60 pilots to begin returning to work starting Jan. 29.
The process is expected to be complete within 90 days, barring any complications or delays in training.
However, the court did not resolve the company’s insistence that returning pilots sign a document stating that they would no longer engage in any strike-related or work stoppage actions.
Hal Broussard, a lawyer representing PHI, said the company wants to reserve the right to discipline a pilot should they return “and three weeks later call a selective strike.”
“We want the right to fire them,” Broussard said.
But Mel Schwarzwald, a lawyer representing the union, argued against the no strike clause.
District Judge Rebecca Doherty, who heard the case, agreed that either party could return to court should the other party violate the agreement.
The hearing was the latest in a two-year battle between the air medical and oil and gas helicopter transport company and its union, which represented the company’s 500-plus pilots.
The union went on strike in September following failed federal mediation attempts over its expired labor contract with the company. Nearly half of the pilots were said to have supported the strike in the beginning.
After two months on strike, the union voted for an unconditional offer to return to work and then accused the company of stalling when it allegedly failed to return the pilots back to work.
PHI’s lawyers denied that Thursday and claimed the company had returned some 100 pilots back to work since the strike began.
However, union lawyer Mel Schwarzwald argued that the company violated federal law by improperly returning the pilots back to work. Schwarzwald said the company only hired those pilots who individually contacted the company instead of having gone through the union.
The two parties will meet again later this year over a separate case involving allegations of bad faith bargaining over the course of their two-year struggle.
Arrangement in federal court allows return to work Jan. 29
Jason Brown
[email protected]
PHI and its unionized pilots reached a partial understanding in federal court Thursday on how and when the company would return to work those pilots still out following a union strike.
The agreement will allow some 60 pilots to begin returning to work starting Jan. 29.
The process is expected to be complete within 90 days, barring any complications or delays in training.
However, the court did not resolve the company’s insistence that returning pilots sign a document stating that they would no longer engage in any strike-related or work stoppage actions.
Hal Broussard, a lawyer representing PHI, said the company wants to reserve the right to discipline a pilot should they return “and three weeks later call a selective strike.”
“We want the right to fire them,” Broussard said.
But Mel Schwarzwald, a lawyer representing the union, argued against the no strike clause.
District Judge Rebecca Doherty, who heard the case, agreed that either party could return to court should the other party violate the agreement.
The hearing was the latest in a two-year battle between the air medical and oil and gas helicopter transport company and its union, which represented the company’s 500-plus pilots.
The union went on strike in September following failed federal mediation attempts over its expired labor contract with the company. Nearly half of the pilots were said to have supported the strike in the beginning.
After two months on strike, the union voted for an unconditional offer to return to work and then accused the company of stalling when it allegedly failed to return the pilots back to work.
PHI’s lawyers denied that Thursday and claimed the company had returned some 100 pilots back to work since the strike began.
However, union lawyer Mel Schwarzwald argued that the company violated federal law by improperly returning the pilots back to work. Schwarzwald said the company only hired those pilots who individually contacted the company instead of having gone through the union.
The two parties will meet again later this year over a separate case involving allegations of bad faith bargaining over the course of their two-year struggle.
Give us a break here Nick.....just why do you think it took a Federal Judge to order it done?