MD's Lynn Chilton aka The Wrath of a Woman Scorned!!
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Originally Posted by Hughes500
13snoopy, why such a down on MD, when Eurocopter produces a machine with 5 seats that if you put 5 people in is out of forward c of g and with any reasonable fuel load is over mauw. Oh yes the 3 rd fcu in 18 months with a bill of $ 40k for it ! Never had this problem with an MD product, at least it does what it says it does on the tin !
It was simply ludicrous for ANYONE to even remotely consider that MD was a viable option after the dire straights they have been in. I hope they turn it around big-time but right now they are clawing their way back from the brink of extinction. So it was far-fetched (to say the least) for anyone to expect the biggest military op on the planet to gamble on such a demoralized company.
Maybe five years from now, but not now.
And again, I hope they come back blazing.
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I still say the glossy MD magazine ads with her face covering a quarter page was a little over the top. If she wanted to be taken seriously, maybe someone in her PR department should have told her to go easier on the lip gloss.
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It really is a global economy these days. Boeing in many cases merely bolts together the pieces made in Australia, China, Japan, Spain, Italy etc and a major portion of the dollar value of an Airbus is for bits made in the good ole USA. Even the 76 can no longer be called "Made in the USA".
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Originally Posted by cowboyz
isn't this the same lady that preaches the global economy and building fuselages in china and mexico?
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I mean if there would have been no other options to the 145, fine buy the 145, but there were choices, I know about the part problems, but that could have been worked out, Lynn Tilton seems like she knows what she's doing and I am sure being the owner of other multimillion dollar companies she would not put her reputation on the line if she couldn't deliver.
The EC-145 has some really ridiculous limitations such as the VNE at altitude, there is a TV Network who just purchased one for their news operations and on some days around here their computer tells them their VNE is in the 80 to 90 KT IAS range, that is ridiculous, especially when helicopters are used in vital situations, you can acutally go faster in an old Jet Ranger or even a Turbine Enstrom than in the 145, and this is the technology that they are bringing across the pond? It's not even FADEC equipped! Performance at altitude is nothing to be proud of and the CG is always a problem.
I think they had better US helicopter manufacturer options to that skytractor they purchased, and they would have supported their own industry.
The EC-145 has some really ridiculous limitations such as the VNE at altitude, there is a TV Network who just purchased one for their news operations and on some days around here their computer tells them their VNE is in the 80 to 90 KT IAS range, that is ridiculous, especially when helicopters are used in vital situations, you can acutally go faster in an old Jet Ranger or even a Turbine Enstrom than in the 145, and this is the technology that they are bringing across the pond? It's not even FADEC equipped! Performance at altitude is nothing to be proud of and the CG is always a problem.
I think they had better US helicopter manufacturer options to that skytractor they purchased, and they would have supported their own industry.
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Originally Posted by BlenderPilot
The EC-145 has some really ridiculous limitations such as the VNE at altitude, there is a TV Network who just purchased one for their news operations and on some days around here their computer tells them their VNE is in the 80 to 90 KT IAS range, that is ridiculous, especially when helicopters are used in vital situations, you can acutally go faster in an old Jet Ranger or even a Turbine Enstrom than in the 145, and this is the technology that they are bringing across the pond? It's not even FADEC equipped! Performance at altitude is nothing to be proud of and the CG is always a problem.
VNE is in the 90 kts range at... 18000 ft AEO
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Now it appears that MD is "protesting" the selection of Eurocopter as the winner.
I hear MD CEO Lynn Chilton is now demanding:
1) MD Helicopter be allowed to appear in at least one episode
of MTV's "Pimp My Ride" TV show to demonstrate their new heli.
2) The selection committee return to the table and take one more look at her latest glamour shots. She has chosen a new lip gloss and lost a few pounds, you know...
I hear MD CEO Lynn Chilton is now demanding:
1) MD Helicopter be allowed to appear in at least one episode
of MTV's "Pimp My Ride" TV show to demonstrate their new heli.
2) The selection committee return to the table and take one more look at her latest glamour shots. She has chosen a new lip gloss and lost a few pounds, you know...
What exactly is your problem with this woman? That she is a woman in charge of a helicopter company? That she is doing things differently to other manufacturers so she must be wrong? Did she once offend you in some way?
As the CEO of MD I would expect her to protest the selection. She is trying to rebuild the company and by all accounts is making progress.
Your personal attacks and comments on her looks are a bit childish to be honest.
As the CEO of MD I would expect her to protest the selection. She is trying to rebuild the company and by all accounts is making progress.
Your personal attacks and comments on her looks are a bit childish to be honest.
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Some additional insight into one of the industry's leaders. Makes for entertaining reading...
Lynn Tilton - a 46-year-old vision of cleavage and diamonds
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Lynn Tilton - a 46-year-old vision of cleavage and diamonds
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Aser,
Your statement is so very correct, but perhaps not as you had intended it!
The fact that such a disparate set of helos, with vastly different payloads, levels of safety/technology, cost to operate, performance and life cycle cost were lumped into a single "procurement" is the issue at hand.
I once was told by a prospective customer that he was considering an A-109 or an S-76B, and he asked me what could I tell him to sway him. I told him to stick to cars, the two aircraft were so widely apart (the 76 could carry a chopped up 109 as cargo) in peformance that he didn't yet know enough about what he was going to do with the machine. He would either be vastly disappointed when he couldn't carry enough, or when he was paying too much.
The poor LUH requirements are responsible for setting up a race between horses, tuna and aardvarks, frankly.
BTW, Ms. Tilton sounds like quite a woman!
Your statement is so very correct, but perhaps not as you had intended it!
The fact that such a disparate set of helos, with vastly different payloads, levels of safety/technology, cost to operate, performance and life cycle cost were lumped into a single "procurement" is the issue at hand.
I once was told by a prospective customer that he was considering an A-109 or an S-76B, and he asked me what could I tell him to sway him. I told him to stick to cars, the two aircraft were so widely apart (the 76 could carry a chopped up 109 as cargo) in peformance that he didn't yet know enough about what he was going to do with the machine. He would either be vastly disappointed when he couldn't carry enough, or when he was paying too much.
The poor LUH requirements are responsible for setting up a race between horses, tuna and aardvarks, frankly.
BTW, Ms. Tilton sounds like quite a woman!
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Some very sophisticated buyout and restructuring firms took a run at MD to include Carlyle group and most of the industry players took a look also. At the end of the day, the only person willing to pull the trigger without a reorganization under federal bankruptcy laws was Ms. Tilton. The consensus of the others was that it needed to go through a reorganization to make the deal work both financially as well as structurally.
At the end of the day, you have to give her credit. She pulled the trigger when the others were waiting for the filing, then a cramdown or a 363 sale. I beleive that if it would have gone into Chapter 11, the recovery would have been quicker but more painful for employees and suppliers. However, she paid up, she gets to play. Only time will tell if it works out.
With respect to the woman scorned or cleavage or any of that stuff, that is all just blither. She, like all of us should simply be measured based upon the merits.
At the end of the day, you have to give her credit. She pulled the trigger when the others were waiting for the filing, then a cramdown or a 363 sale. I beleive that if it would have gone into Chapter 11, the recovery would have been quicker but more painful for employees and suppliers. However, she paid up, she gets to play. Only time will tell if it works out.
With respect to the woman scorned or cleavage or any of that stuff, that is all just blither. She, like all of us should simply be measured based upon the merits.
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What exactly is your problem with this woman? That she is a woman in charge of a helicopter company? That she is doing things differently to other manufacturers so she must be wrong? Did she once offend you in some way?
As the CEO of MD I would expect her to protest the selection. She is trying to rebuild the company and by all accounts is making progress.
Your personal attacks and comments on her looks are a bit childish to be honest.
As the CEO of MD I would expect her to protest the selection. She is trying to rebuild the company and by all accounts is making progress.
Your personal attacks and comments on her looks are a bit childish to be honest.
I just commented on her appearance and all those close-ups of her in some of the early MD ads.
Hey, I'm all for women. I love 'em!
I just think she should have thought about it a little longer before she OK'ed the lip-glossy, close-up glamour shots that ran in those ads last spring/summer. Notice they're gone now, don't you?
Replaced by info/bios on the guys who design/build these fine helis.
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Personally, I'd rather see her.
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What exactly is your problem with this woman? That she is a woman in charge of a helicopter company? That she is doing things differently to other manufacturers so she must be wrong? Did she once offend you in some way?
As the CEO of MD I would expect her to protest the selection. She is trying to rebuild the company and by all accounts is making progress.
Your personal attacks and comments on her looks are a bit childish to be honest.
As the CEO of MD I would expect her to protest the selection. She is trying to rebuild the company and by all accounts is making progress.
Your personal attacks and comments on her looks are a bit childish to be honest.
Please read the link provided a few posts back that feaures a story on her where she's quoted talking about her boobs/clevage. She's a trick, all right.
And you cry that I'm "attacking her"???
I think she likes it rough.
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Well, here we are nearly a year later and she's still got MD improving. Good for her.
Although if she's leaving the Heli Expo in one of her ships she'll definitely need her pilot to do a max-performance take-off...since it seems like she's maybe gained a few more pounds since last year.
Although if she's leaving the Heli Expo in one of her ships she'll definitely need her pilot to do a max-performance take-off...since it seems like she's maybe gained a few more pounds since last year.
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Play Fair "Boys"
Why do we constantly belittle success in our Industry?
This lady [who I have never met] has obvious talents to promote her company across numerous markets, only to be stifled by the “Big” business end of the established major producers and the unaccountable Government Procurement Systems.
We suffer from the same ludicrous government [with a small “g”] decisions here in Oz.
To mention a few:
• The Army Tiger
• The Navy Kaman
• The Navy A109…..what a typical disaster.
• The Air Force [in fact what has the Air Force been doing?] [Laughing Fits of Raptor]
Hey 13 Snoppy…….the lowest form of jealously [wit] is the sneaky personal attack.
Put aside the Masculine Hairy Chests fella’s……support the home grown product…..the Multi Nationals Suck….!!!
This lady [who I have never met] has obvious talents to promote her company across numerous markets, only to be stifled by the “Big” business end of the established major producers and the unaccountable Government Procurement Systems.
We suffer from the same ludicrous government [with a small “g”] decisions here in Oz.
To mention a few:
• The Army Tiger
• The Navy Kaman
• The Navy A109…..what a typical disaster.
• The Air Force [in fact what has the Air Force been doing?] [Laughing Fits of Raptor]
Hey 13 Snoppy…….the lowest form of jealously [wit] is the sneaky personal attack.
Put aside the Masculine Hairy Chests fella’s……support the home grown product…..the Multi Nationals Suck….!!!
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…….the lowest form of jealously [wit]
That mob you refer to ~ Rhapsody in blue,?
I think you'll find that they're doing OK at the sharp end,
but it'll be a travesty in black if they get to spend half of what every second press release on Govt spending suggests.
The lady in question must be much more talented than a political Lady that we had a few years ago - the one who loved whiteboards - Why, I'm dead set sure that had she showed up in a german staff car on a back road someplace here-abouts they (those boys in blue) would have shown the Luftwaffe how to do it like.
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Mate !!
Even a lowly Rotaryman can claim a little poetic licence now and again.
I stand by my words.
Hope your correct with the Raptor, however I feel history will repeat itself time and time again.
I stand by my words.
Hope your correct with the Raptor, however I feel history will repeat itself time and time again.