Tourist dies in fall from helicopter
It is GritS dear fellow. A Southern delicacy at times and always a basic food for breakfast with your Country Ham, Redeye Gravy, and Buttermilk Biscuits.
Grits is a type of maize porridge and a food common in the Southern United States, East Africa (where it is called Ugali in Swahili) and southern Manchuria (where it is called Gezi in Chinese) consisting of coarsely ground corn, traditionally by a stone mill. The results are passed through screens, with the finer part being corn meal, and the coarser being grits. Many communities in the South had a gristmill until the mid-20th century, with families bringing their own corn to be ground, and the miller retaining a portion of the corn for his fee. Grits aficionados still prefer stone ground grits, although modern milling tends to prefer faster methods.
The word "grits" comes from Old English grytta meaning a coarse meal of any kind. Yellow grits include the entire kernel, while white grits use hulled kernels. Grits are prepared by simply boiling into a porridge; normally they are boiled until enough water evaporates to leave them semi-solid however. They are traditionally served at breakfast, but can also be used at any meal.
Hominy grits is another term for grits.
Grits are also similar to farina.
Grits is a type of maize porridge and a food common in the Southern United States, East Africa (where it is called Ugali in Swahili) and southern Manchuria (where it is called Gezi in Chinese) consisting of coarsely ground corn, traditionally by a stone mill. The results are passed through screens, with the finer part being corn meal, and the coarser being grits. Many communities in the South had a gristmill until the mid-20th century, with families bringing their own corn to be ground, and the miller retaining a portion of the corn for his fee. Grits aficionados still prefer stone ground grits, although modern milling tends to prefer faster methods.
The word "grits" comes from Old English grytta meaning a coarse meal of any kind. Yellow grits include the entire kernel, while white grits use hulled kernels. Grits are prepared by simply boiling into a porridge; normally they are boiled until enough water evaporates to leave them semi-solid however. They are traditionally served at breakfast, but can also be used at any meal.
Hominy grits is another term for grits.
Grits are also similar to farina.
Soupisgoodfood, why do you say 'their land'?? Were the Maori the first in NZ?? They certainly aren't native to New Zealand anymore than I am. Their ancestors arrived by boat, as did mine. Yes there are some issues where I agree that the Maori have a case for grievances, but quite a few Maori use the words native and indigenous to get things their own way, when those words really don't apply at all.
New Zealand is not a racially happy country at times. Everybody but the Maori want New Zealand to be multi-cultural. A large proportion of Maori want New Zealand to be bi-cultural; Maori, and the rest.
The fact is that people should be angry when money given as reparations to Maori is squandered on 'Think Big' projects that don't work and waste lots of said money (remember that university up north??), or, when a tribal leader appoints nearly all of his family members to boards governing the use of the money they received. That money is supposed to be used for the betterment of the tribe, not the greedy bastages at the top stealing all the dosh!!
The one glaring exception to this would be Ngai Tahu in the South Island. They have recruited the best people they can to run their organisation as a for-profit business. While I may not necessarily agree with everything that they do, I do applaude their efforts to put the many before the one.
Back to the topic
Having property in the Mackenzie, I can imagine how easy it is to fall a long way down a bluff. The hill at the back of my place has a slope angle of 32 degrees, and that is bad enough!!
Sasless, if the guy wasn't in, on, or touching said helicopter at the time of the accident, why should the CAA go and visit the accident site?? Would be more of a Police or Coroners job I would have thought.
How is the snow down under just now?? I hate missing yet another ski season
New Zealand is not a racially happy country at times. Everybody but the Maori want New Zealand to be multi-cultural. A large proportion of Maori want New Zealand to be bi-cultural; Maori, and the rest.
The fact is that people should be angry when money given as reparations to Maori is squandered on 'Think Big' projects that don't work and waste lots of said money (remember that university up north??), or, when a tribal leader appoints nearly all of his family members to boards governing the use of the money they received. That money is supposed to be used for the betterment of the tribe, not the greedy bastages at the top stealing all the dosh!!
The one glaring exception to this would be Ngai Tahu in the South Island. They have recruited the best people they can to run their organisation as a for-profit business. While I may not necessarily agree with everything that they do, I do applaude their efforts to put the many before the one.
Back to the topic
Having property in the Mackenzie, I can imagine how easy it is to fall a long way down a bluff. The hill at the back of my place has a slope angle of 32 degrees, and that is bad enough!!
Sasless, if the guy wasn't in, on, or touching said helicopter at the time of the accident, why should the CAA go and visit the accident site?? Would be more of a Police or Coroners job I would have thought.
How is the snow down under just now?? I hate missing yet another ski season
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Nooby, sounds like your talking about Canada or the States.........
Anyway........."the guy wasn't in, on, or touching said helicopter at the time of the accident" That could be true and it sounds like correct. He was BETWEEN the helicopter and the bottom of the 300 meter "steep Bluff""
Too close to call for us mere mortals, If those in positions of authority deem it and accident we have to go along with it....
Anyway........."the guy wasn't in, on, or touching said helicopter at the time of the accident" That could be true and it sounds like correct. He was BETWEEN the helicopter and the bottom of the 300 meter "steep Bluff""
Too close to call for us mere mortals, If those in positions of authority deem it and accident we have to go along with it....
Nooby,
If he was in the process of getting off the helicopter or other passengers were getting off the helicopter while the aircraft was hovering or doing a one skid or toe in landing to facilitate that evolution, I would suggest the CAA has every reason to get involved. If the passengers had disembarked, the helicopter departed....then the poor sod took a fatal tumble then that would be a different matter.
If he was in the process of getting off the helicopter or other passengers were getting off the helicopter while the aircraft was hovering or doing a one skid or toe in landing to facilitate that evolution, I would suggest the CAA has every reason to get involved. If the passengers had disembarked, the helicopter departed....then the poor sod took a fatal tumble then that would be a different matter.
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Originally Posted by noooby
Soupisgoodfood, why do you say 'their land'?? Were the Maori the first in NZ?? They certainly aren't native to New Zealand anymore than I am. Their ancestors arrived by boat, as did mine. Yes there are some issues where I agree that the Maori have a case for grievances, but quite a few Maori use the words native and indigenous to get things their own way, when those words really don't apply at all...
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noooby, you hit the nail right on the head there about the maori.
There isn't mush snow down here yet, but one field is allready open!!! go dobo!!
The hill where this guy was getting off makes the hill faces in the mackenzie look flatish!! what hill do you have out the back of your place that is 32 degrees?
I think the caa will get into this one, as the guide was out, one of the clients where getting outor just out(the one that fell), and one was still in the helicopter waiting to get out.so sasless is correct in what he pointed out.
Unfortuantly this guy is having a s
t of a couple of weeks with this accident and then the court case. but no matter how well you prepare you and the passengers you sometimes can't help some things. It will be very interesting to see what does happen out of this in the end.
best way to deal with animals around helicopters!!
SHOOT THEM!!
There isn't mush snow down here yet, but one field is allready open!!! go dobo!!
The hill where this guy was getting off makes the hill faces in the mackenzie look flatish!! what hill do you have out the back of your place that is 32 degrees?
I think the caa will get into this one, as the guide was out, one of the clients where getting outor just out(the one that fell), and one was still in the helicopter waiting to get out.so sasless is correct in what he pointed out.
Unfortuantly this guy is having a s
t of a couple of weeks with this accident and then the court case. but no matter how well you prepare you and the passengers you sometimes can't help some things. It will be very interesting to see what does happen out of this in the end. best way to deal with animals around helicopters!!
SHOOT THEM!!
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Harvey Hutton shouldn't be in jail for the simple reason that Ngai Tahu should never have been awarded possession of the greenstone in the first place.
The Treaty of Waitangi never applied to the South Island. Hobson annexed it irresepective of the Treaty. Ngai Tahu were given sole rights to all the greenstone in the South Island as part of a Treaty settlement to which they were never entitled.
The south-westalnd ruanangadid sign a copy of the Treaty which specifically gave them possession of their greenstone; this was disregarded by the Waitangi Tribunal, who regarded the ruananga as being part of Ngai Tahu despite both parties denying this.
Funnily enough it was the south-westland ruananga who have supported Hutton through all this.
In any event the greenstone in question was mined from Hutton's legitimate claim which had been granted before the Treaty settlement process came into effect, and which was exempt from it.
Hutton didn't steal valuable greenstone from anyone. He mined and transported large rocks from a legal source.
The Treaty of Waitangi never applied to the South Island. Hobson annexed it irresepective of the Treaty. Ngai Tahu were given sole rights to all the greenstone in the South Island as part of a Treaty settlement to which they were never entitled.
The south-westalnd ruanangadid sign a copy of the Treaty which specifically gave them possession of their greenstone; this was disregarded by the Waitangi Tribunal, who regarded the ruananga as being part of Ngai Tahu despite both parties denying this.
Funnily enough it was the south-westland ruananga who have supported Hutton through all this.
In any event the greenstone in question was mined from Hutton's legitimate claim which had been granted before the Treaty settlement process came into effect, and which was exempt from it.
Hutton didn't steal valuable greenstone from anyone. He mined and transported large rocks from a legal source.
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Dangerous stuff this hunting!
Just in....
Chopper pilot 'flying like a maniac' - witness
A Central Otago helicopter pilot whose trophy-hunting passenger fell to his death when the helicopter put down near a 164m bluff, was ''flying like a maniac'' before the incident, a witness told a Queenstown inquest.
United States hunter Clifford Wayne Senter, 57, was killed on May 22, 2006 when he fell down the bluff near Wanaka, after stepping out of the helicopter.
Senter, his friend Nelson Rapanot and their wives were on a guided expedition with Leithen Valley Trophy Hunts, the Southland Times reported today.
Back Country Helicopters pilot Harvey Hutton and guide Rachel Stewart had taken the party hunting for chamois on the day of the accident.
Giving evidence by satellite video link from Hawaii yesterday, Rapanot said he was surprised Hutton had decided to fly in poor conditions.
Rapanot said he had been assured Hutton was the best pilot around.
Rapanot said he didn't like the aggressive way Mr Hutton flew when they spotted a chamois.
"That guy was flying like a maniac,'' he told coroner Ian Macalister.
Rapanot said he regretted not giving Mr Hutton "an earful''.
Rapanot and Senter's widow, Linda Senter, asked why the pilot had chosen the landing site and descended at the angle he did.
Macalister said he would put their questions to Hutton when he gave evidence today.
A Central Otago helicopter pilot whose trophy-hunting passenger fell to his death when the helicopter put down near a 164m bluff, was ''flying like a maniac'' before the incident, a witness told a Queenstown inquest.
United States hunter Clifford Wayne Senter, 57, was killed on May 22, 2006 when he fell down the bluff near Wanaka, after stepping out of the helicopter.
Senter, his friend Nelson Rapanot and their wives were on a guided expedition with Leithen Valley Trophy Hunts, the Southland Times reported today.
Back Country Helicopters pilot Harvey Hutton and guide Rachel Stewart had taken the party hunting for chamois on the day of the accident.
Giving evidence by satellite video link from Hawaii yesterday, Rapanot said he was surprised Hutton had decided to fly in poor conditions.
Rapanot said he had been assured Hutton was the best pilot around.
Rapanot said he didn't like the aggressive way Mr Hutton flew when they spotted a chamois.
"That guy was flying like a maniac,'' he told coroner Ian Macalister.
Rapanot said he regretted not giving Mr Hutton "an earful''.
Rapanot and Senter's widow, Linda Senter, asked why the pilot had chosen the landing site and descended at the angle he did.
Macalister said he would put their questions to Hutton when he gave evidence today.
And Rapanot is a helicopter pilot with how much experience? They know the limits of the Helicopter? Or were they just passengers on a hunt, along for the ride?
Cheers
Ringer
I wonder if the Chamois has a trophy room
Cheers
Ringer
I wonder if the Chamois has a trophy room
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What does the pilot's flying skills have to do with the fact the Victim fell to his death AFTER stepping out of the Helicopter?
What "poor" conditions?
reading between the lines, but not knowing all the facts, could this be more of a: "Great White Hunter falls off cliff - family seaks reason to litigate anybody they can."
I used to fly hunters in my fixed wing floatplane daze - not my favourite group to deal with.
What "poor" conditions?
reading between the lines, but not knowing all the facts, could this be more of a: "Great White Hunter falls off cliff - family seaks reason to litigate anybody they can."
I used to fly hunters in my fixed wing floatplane daze - not my favourite group to deal with.
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"Maniac??" Sitting in a Machine IFR middle of the night doing an EMS job would scare the Living S**T out of me...Chasing a Chamois in the hills with Hutton at the controls wouldn't bother me the slightest...its all about what your used to !!
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"That guy was flying like a maniac,'' he told coroner Ian Macalister.
What sort of pilot's licence does this chap have to qualify him to judge piloting skills? Sounds like a bit of a Wanaka to me.
What sort of pilot's licence does this chap have to qualify him to judge piloting skills? Sounds like a bit of a Wanaka to me.
Just noticed the date of the events.
Just curious but why is this coming out now when it happened nearly 2 years ago?
I still wonder why the flying is even being questioned at the inquest when the victim fell down a cliff.
Just curious but why is this coming out now when it happened nearly 2 years ago?
I still wonder why the flying is even being questioned at the inquest when the victim fell down a cliff.
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I wonder if the Chamois has a trophy room
Great stuff, keep up the good work, best quote ive seen for ages.
Shame about the punter who fell of the cliff tho.Sounds like the hunting party are out to sue someone!
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Shame about the punter who fell of the cliff tho.Sounds like the hunting party are out to sue someone!
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Just curious but why is this coming out now when it happened nearly 2 years ago?
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The following article is copied from www.nzherald.co.nz,
Helicopter pilot denies 'flying like a maniac'
6:00AM Wednesday February 27, 2008
A Central Otago helicopter pilot whose trophy-hunting passenger fell to his death when the helicopter put down near a steep bluff has denied accusations of "flying like a maniac".
Pilot Harvey Hutton was giving evidence on the second day of an inquest for American hunter Clifford Wayne Senter, 57, who was killed on May 22, 2006 when he fell down a 164m cliff face near Wanaka after stepping out of the helicopter.
Mr Senter, his friend Nelson Rapanot and their wives were on a guided expedition with Leithen Valley Trophy Hunts.
Giving evidence by video link at the inquest before coroner Ian Macalister in the Queenstown Coroner's Court on Monday, Mr Rapanot said he didn't like the aggressive way Mr Hutton flew when they spotted a chamois.
"That guy was flying like a maniac," he told the coroner.
Mr Rapanot said he'd regretted not giving Mr Hutton an "earful" about his flying.
But Mr Hutton said yesterday that was the first comment he'd heard about his flying and it was inaccurate, the Southland Times reported.
Rachel Stewart, who was guiding the hunt, said she didn't agree with Mr Rapanot's description of Mr Hutton's flying style. She did not notice anything unusual during the flight.
An emotional Ms Stewart had difficulty describing to the coroner the sequence of events leading up to Mr Senter's fall.
She said she assessed the area for hazards as the helicopter was landing but hadn't been aware of the steep cliff.
Ms Stewart said the biggest hazard was allowing both Mr Senter and Mr Rapanot to get out of the helicopter, which wasn't standard practice. She'd told both clients she didn't want them to get out, but they "demanded" to.
"I took my eye off Cliff to unload Nelson and that's where it all went wrong," she said.
"There is no way I would ever unload a second person again because that's where the accident happened."
The inquest is continuing.
There are usually at least two sides to every story
Helicopter pilot denies 'flying like a maniac'
6:00AM Wednesday February 27, 2008
A Central Otago helicopter pilot whose trophy-hunting passenger fell to his death when the helicopter put down near a steep bluff has denied accusations of "flying like a maniac".
Pilot Harvey Hutton was giving evidence on the second day of an inquest for American hunter Clifford Wayne Senter, 57, who was killed on May 22, 2006 when he fell down a 164m cliff face near Wanaka after stepping out of the helicopter.
Mr Senter, his friend Nelson Rapanot and their wives were on a guided expedition with Leithen Valley Trophy Hunts.
Giving evidence by video link at the inquest before coroner Ian Macalister in the Queenstown Coroner's Court on Monday, Mr Rapanot said he didn't like the aggressive way Mr Hutton flew when they spotted a chamois.
"That guy was flying like a maniac," he told the coroner.
Mr Rapanot said he'd regretted not giving Mr Hutton an "earful" about his flying.
But Mr Hutton said yesterday that was the first comment he'd heard about his flying and it was inaccurate, the Southland Times reported.
Rachel Stewart, who was guiding the hunt, said she didn't agree with Mr Rapanot's description of Mr Hutton's flying style. She did not notice anything unusual during the flight.
An emotional Ms Stewart had difficulty describing to the coroner the sequence of events leading up to Mr Senter's fall.
She said she assessed the area for hazards as the helicopter was landing but hadn't been aware of the steep cliff.
Ms Stewart said the biggest hazard was allowing both Mr Senter and Mr Rapanot to get out of the helicopter, which wasn't standard practice. She'd told both clients she didn't want them to get out, but they "demanded" to.
"I took my eye off Cliff to unload Nelson and that's where it all went wrong," she said.
"There is no way I would ever unload a second person again because that's where the accident happened."
The inquest is continuing.
There are usually at least two sides to every story