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Old 21st May 2006, 12:06
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Moving a pool

Can anyone help give me a lead? I need to have a fibreglass swing pool (10.70 m x 4.20 m) lifted and carried for about 1 km in the Henley-upon-Thames rural area (road too narrow).
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Old 21st May 2006, 12:17
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You'll find it much easier if you take out the water first.
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Old 21st May 2006, 12:31
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If it's not a daft question; if the road is too narrow, how did it get there in the first place?

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Old 21st May 2006, 12:45
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The depth measurement must be narrower than the width. So get it on that face atop wheels. What about a boat trailer? Please submit pictures.
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Old 21st May 2006, 12:57
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Contact your local helicopter operator and have him sling your pool.

I have done that often. It´s often the easiest way and if you count all the cost of getting a truck (lorry) with crane and personnel for several hours versus a 10 min sling load for helicopter its easier to just pay for the helicopter to do the work.

Although I´m not that familiar with UK regs, the trouble for you people getting permits and such may be prohibitive for such a job in your area!?

In normal countries where helicopter´s are just seen as work equipment like any other tractor or lorry this kind of job is a no brainer. The pool probably doesn´t weigh more than about 300 - 500 kg so its a JetRanger job.

JetRanger costs about 700-800 UKP/hr so ask a local operator how much ferry time and how long he would figure on slinging that pool one km.

Best of luck.
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Old 21st May 2006, 13:24
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i can remember assisting with the delivery of a " steam locomotive" on an artic, Marlow side of Henley a few years back, Im sure a plastic pool, wouldn't be a problem, for any pro haulage company.
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Old 21st May 2006, 14:14
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Would the route include crossing a public road with the underslung load?

If so, you've got a problem. CAA doesn't much like the idea of a load potentially being jettisoned onto a public road.
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Old 21st May 2006, 15:21
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In normal countries where helicopter´s are just seen as work equipment like any other tractor or lorry this kind of job is a no brainer.
Are you suggesting the UK is not normal?

Low Flier....have you considered blocking the road way for the two minutes the lift will take? Just as happens for other events like car wrecks, parades, moving livestock from one pasture to another, for example?
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Old 21st May 2006, 15:58
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Moving a pool.

Aesir,
Wouldn't have said that slingloading 500kg was really a Jet Ranger job?
Maybe you were thinking of a B407
BC.
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Old 21st May 2006, 16:55
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Devil Slingload

Slinging a pool by helicopter requires a company specialising in slinging that type of large loads, either by using mirrors or preferably vertical referencing. Ensure they have the right helicopters, slinging equipment and suitably rated and qualified pilots.

Slinging it like a bath the downflow of air will double to quadruple the pools "weight" due to the helicopters downwash, to a point where the helicopter could end up in a situation where it cannot lift the "relatively light load". Turn it upside down and the downwash might cause it to "fly" in circles at the end of the strop.

Rigging, nets, strops, length of strops should also be chosen carefully and attach in such a manner as to prevent damage to the pool and the surrounding terrain and property by downwash.

Get permissions from CAA, Council and neighbours and have indemnities signed as required. Think about insurances etc.

Just a couple of pointers to think about.

It is a specialised job and damage could easily occur. If care is not taken and it can turn out to be an expensive exercise where it might leak so badly at the end that it will only be good for an extra large sand box for the kids or litterbox for the cats... hehehehe

Good luck!
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Old 21st May 2006, 19:51
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Sounds like it would be cheaper to build a new pool in-situ at the new site and scrap the old one!

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Old 21st May 2006, 20:15
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I wanted to sling load my kids tree house under a 44 but my friend said the accident would make such an amazing AAIB report that hed have nothing to do with it!

Wish I'd built the damn thing in situ now, the cofg is about 8 foot in the air and other parents are wary of thier kids playing on the thing
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Old 21st May 2006, 20:40
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Due to rotor downwash, the sling must be at least 30m long, with a swivel hook and 1 rope 5m long at each corner.

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Low Flyer & 118.9

I'm sure you will find that roads are not a problem, however any vehicles or persons on the road will be. As is any persons, property, vessels, built up area etc. etc. that could be encountered anywhere en-route. You must have a dead clear route between sites. I have often had to wait for traffic to clear to cross a road.

Long range zig-zag fuel planning can be a pain.
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Are you suggesting the UK is not normal?
SASless: you know what I mean.. with all the restrictions and permissions for every little thing that is needed in the UK & many other European continent countries

Wouldn't have said that slingloading 500kg was really a Jet Ranger job?
Bladecrack: Yes sure. many JetRangers can lift 500 kg, expecially early model Agusta´s Bell 206A converted to B. It´s not easy lift and it help´s to have cool temp´s and some wind but it can be done in some JetRanger´s within limits.

I would suggest slinging the load vertically to avoid downflow and certainly long line. Close all roads that need to be crossed and get the job done with fast. Though the sling flight itself wouldn´t be much faster than about 20 kts I guess but hey it´s only one km.
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Old 22nd May 2006, 08:11
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Thanks all, most helpful (even the sarcasm was funny). Some missing context; the problem is that the lane from the main road is too narrow with a canopy of trees.

Final question, anyone know of good operators in the Henley (South Oxfordshire) area, i.e. the Reading/HighWycombe/Maidenhaed locale?
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Old 22nd May 2006, 08:57
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118.9.. Do you have an idea of the weight?
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Old 22nd May 2006, 10:28
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118.9,

Helicopter Services at Wycombe Air Park might be able to help you out. They've done a bit of slinging with a Squirrel in the past.

+(44) 01494 513166. Ask for Leon.


HTH,

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Old 22nd May 2006, 11:04
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Thanks Bravo, much appreciated
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Check your PM's.....Sorry Starcrest...I meant 118.9
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