LifeFlight Melb. Last one out, please turn off the lights.
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LifeFlight Melb. Last one out, please turn off the lights.
Rumours for past few weeks confirmed in today’s papers, LifeFlight Melbourne in serious financial trouble.
In crisis talks with Victorian Government today re: Neonatal Contract.
"...please sir, may I have some more?"
Same old story….you gets what you pay for.
In crisis talks with Victorian Government today re: Neonatal Contract.
"...please sir, may I have some more?"
Same old story….you gets what you pay for.
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Turn the lights Off??
Bit hard when the electricity has been turned OFF!!...CAUSE THERE'S NO BLOODY MONEY...HAAAAAAAAAAA!!!
I am happy to see this man gone from the industry?
Only hope is that the Labour Government has enough sense not to bail him out.
Sorry, can't find the light switch 'cause it's too dark....
For those who give a stuff....
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/com...5E2862,00.html
I am happy to see this man gone from the industry?
Only hope is that the Labour Government has enough sense not to bail him out.
Sorry, can't find the light switch 'cause it's too dark....
For those who give a stuff....
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/com...5E2862,00.html
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KP...
You can't have been in the industry too long if you haven't heard of the enigma that is Brett Rankin.
Life Flight has an inglorious past that has tainted the industry more than any other flying organisation in Victoria in the last 10 years.
Do a search on PPRUNE....I believe the last title was "Life Flight YMML".
The moderator closed it some time ago...I don't know if it can be recalled. "Used car salesman" and Rankin have been used in the same sentence...I think that's a harsh call....I actually trust a used car salesman in comparison. It's quite a skill to watch someone shake your hand and pick your pocket with the other.
Hopefully the moderator will let this one run its course....BR has had many posts pulled with threatened legal action....S'pose he can't afford the Collins Street Solicitors now that he has a BIG mortage to service and no job.
PS..Heard that the General manager at Childflight in Sydney was advertised last week....
Terry and Bretty boy up there together.....He He!!!!
You can't have been in the industry too long if you haven't heard of the enigma that is Brett Rankin.
Life Flight has an inglorious past that has tainted the industry more than any other flying organisation in Victoria in the last 10 years.
Do a search on PPRUNE....I believe the last title was "Life Flight YMML".
The moderator closed it some time ago...I don't know if it can be recalled. "Used car salesman" and Rankin have been used in the same sentence...I think that's a harsh call....I actually trust a used car salesman in comparison. It's quite a skill to watch someone shake your hand and pick your pocket with the other.
Hopefully the moderator will let this one run its course....BR has had many posts pulled with threatened legal action....S'pose he can't afford the Collins Street Solicitors now that he has a BIG mortage to service and no job.
PS..Heard that the General manager at Childflight in Sydney was advertised last week....
Terry and Bretty boy up there together.....He He!!!!
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What a Shame.
A better equipped set of aircraft would be hard to find!
Also the salary is good and the conditions just fine.
We don't need your assistance Mr Overweight, just try to use your brain instead of that Foul Mouth.
Also the salary is good and the conditions just fine.
We don't need your assistance Mr Overweight, just try to use your brain instead of that Foul Mouth.
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Aussie....
I don't disagree that the helos aren't well equipped....Banks own em though.....
If I could get millions of dollars telling fibs...I could buy and fit out a space shuttle....
I just found the old Life Flight post and saw you post several times in support of Bretty boy...In hindsight, your comments pledging your undying support seem to be little foolish now don't they???
It's a forum...I can say whatever I want as long as I stick to what I know.....and I know Life Flight
Come on BR....we can see you are on tonight....Any thing to say???
I don't disagree that the helos aren't well equipped....Banks own em though.....
If I could get millions of dollars telling fibs...I could buy and fit out a space shuttle....
I just found the old Life Flight post and saw you post several times in support of Bretty boy...In hindsight, your comments pledging your undying support seem to be little foolish now don't they???
It's a forum...I can say whatever I want as long as I stick to what I know.....and I know Life Flight
Come on BR....we can see you are on tonight....Any thing to say???
I was a bit rushed before with my short questions - had to run out.... Sorry
Now back to it. Mr Overwait, you are very harsh in your comments. I think you are taking this the wrong way!! I have seen the LifeFlight facility, how it operates, the impressive aircraft, well trained and polite staff...... So what you are saying is that you wish for LifeFlight and its service to the Royal Childrens Hospital and life saving services get shutdown because you have a grudge with someone. Not very professional !! By this service closing, it creates a very big chain of inconvience and negative events that could affect lives..... so maybe you should be careful with your comments.
And to answer your question - I have been in the Industry for over 15 years, but thank-you for your concern. I have travelled the world and seen many operations and worked for many high profiled well named companies. I don back stab someone to upset the work of other innocent people! Mr Rankin, from what I could see, acted in a great way to his team members. So, when you say "you know LifeFlight", does that mean every person working inside that facility, or do you just mean upper management?!
I'm suer everyone stands here with me that there is a big difference in bagging someone or everyone?!
Also, people change, or you just do not agree with his decisions. Do you run a successful business yourself? or are you just in your negative comments?
Now back to it. Mr Overwait, you are very harsh in your comments. I think you are taking this the wrong way!! I have seen the LifeFlight facility, how it operates, the impressive aircraft, well trained and polite staff...... So what you are saying is that you wish for LifeFlight and its service to the Royal Childrens Hospital and life saving services get shutdown because you have a grudge with someone. Not very professional !! By this service closing, it creates a very big chain of inconvience and negative events that could affect lives..... so maybe you should be careful with your comments.
And to answer your question - I have been in the Industry for over 15 years, but thank-you for your concern. I have travelled the world and seen many operations and worked for many high profiled well named companies. I don back stab someone to upset the work of other innocent people! Mr Rankin, from what I could see, acted in a great way to his team members. So, when you say "you know LifeFlight", does that mean every person working inside that facility, or do you just mean upper management?!
I'm suer everyone stands here with me that there is a big difference in bagging someone or everyone?!
Also, people change, or you just do not agree with his decisions. Do you run a successful business yourself? or are you just in your negative comments?
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Welcome to PPRuNe.
Wrong.
If you say something which puts the site owners at risk of a libel action, it may be removed.
Wrong.
Very few posts are deleted or edited in this forum - mainly because the majority of people use good sense. (We occasionally get some people, often new members, trying to use the forums to pursue personal vendettas but they're usually easy to spot.)
Welcome to PPRuNe.
It's a forum...I can say whatever I want as long as I stick to what I know
If you say something which puts the site owners at risk of a libel action, it may be removed.
BR has had many posts pulled with threatened legal action
Very few posts are deleted or edited in this forum - mainly because the majority of people use good sense. (We occasionally get some people, often new members, trying to use the forums to pursue personal vendettas but they're usually easy to spot.)
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Regardless of this Mr. BR, it's very sad. It's bad for the staff who obviously did their best, but very sad for the patients/victims.
I don't see why a personal 'vendetta' has to be battled on here.
I don't see why a personal 'vendetta' has to be battled on here.
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I don't see you trying hard, putting in the long hours trying to get a fledgling EMS service off the ground.
I don't know the ins and outs but what I do know is that it is a shame that a service like this one is going down.
Ring Mr Rankin and let him know what you think of him instead of putting us all through your ranting.
This subject has SO been done.
I don't see you trying hard, putting in the long hours trying to get a fledgling EMS service off the ground.
I don't know the ins and outs but what I do know is that it is a shame that a service like this one is going down.
Ring Mr Rankin and let him know what you think of him instead of putting us all through your ranting.
This subject has SO been done.
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Ahhhh POLITICS ...
Its a pity that this service has to endure the "Sling and Arrows" of outrageous politics. There is nothing else in Melbourne to be able to do this dedicated type of service.
Some of you out there obviously have issues with the Chief executive, however I doubt that you will have ever put in the effort that he has to get these aircraft, build the organisation and put together the crew.
I'm sure there are a few people or organisations that have a vested interest in seeing what they view as a competitor go down BUT .... you will not pick up any NETS work as a result and thus only the NETS and the babies they service will suffer!
Its a pity that this service has to endure the "Sling and Arrows" of outrageous politics. There is nothing else in Melbourne to be able to do this dedicated type of service.
Some of you out there obviously have issues with the Chief executive, however I doubt that you will have ever put in the effort that he has to get these aircraft, build the organisation and put together the crew.
I'm sure there are a few people or organisations that have a vested interest in seeing what they view as a competitor go down BUT .... you will not pick up any NETS work as a result and thus only the NETS and the babies they service will suffer!
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KP....Wasn't having a go at your time in the industry...not at all...i was more of a comment based loosely along a "where have you been" if you hadn't heard of this person...My apologies if it came across any other way. KP, leopards don't change their spots.
To the others..Spinwing, Oogle, Hiller Bee etc....come on!!!!!.
No lives will be jeopardised by this service falling in a heap. The Metropolitan Ambulance service, as it did before and as it will now, has adequate and sufficient resources to cover NETS retrievals. They have N3's, 412's, Kingairs, dedicated NETS vehicles,taxi's etc all at their disposal. The health minister, the premier, MAS, RAV have all said that no lives will be placed in danger....Lets not play the dying babies card on this one.
Lets remember...This service only operated 10 hours a day. The Depatrment of Health operated for 30 years without a dedicated NETS helicopter, and will operate another 30 if it has too.
Re the Westpac helicopter....also an emphatic come on!!!! This service was NEVER...repeat NEVER going to be first call when the VPAW is required to be first responder to ALL SAR tasks. Also...this machine was only supposed to be tasked for patrolling between November and FEB anyway.....
Even SPRS got called before this machine.
I repeat...NO LIVES wil be placed in danger by these machines not being available...no matter what card you try and play.
To the moderator...fair call....I'm quite happy that some of my comments were removed. Unfortunately when you deal or have dealt with certain people of this nature some of the vitriol tends to spew over. Comments will be tempered.
Oogle, I don't agree that this has SO been done before. Life FLight and the way they operate with commercial tendering, turnover of pilots, reputation of the ED etc has been done before.
The company's sudden and abrupt demise has not.
To the others..Spinwing, Oogle, Hiller Bee etc....come on!!!!!.
No lives will be jeopardised by this service falling in a heap. The Metropolitan Ambulance service, as it did before and as it will now, has adequate and sufficient resources to cover NETS retrievals. They have N3's, 412's, Kingairs, dedicated NETS vehicles,taxi's etc all at their disposal. The health minister, the premier, MAS, RAV have all said that no lives will be placed in danger....Lets not play the dying babies card on this one.
Lets remember...This service only operated 10 hours a day. The Depatrment of Health operated for 30 years without a dedicated NETS helicopter, and will operate another 30 if it has too.
Re the Westpac helicopter....also an emphatic come on!!!! This service was NEVER...repeat NEVER going to be first call when the VPAW is required to be first responder to ALL SAR tasks. Also...this machine was only supposed to be tasked for patrolling between November and FEB anyway.....
Even SPRS got called before this machine.
I repeat...NO LIVES wil be placed in danger by these machines not being available...no matter what card you try and play.
To the moderator...fair call....I'm quite happy that some of my comments were removed. Unfortunately when you deal or have dealt with certain people of this nature some of the vitriol tends to spew over. Comments will be tempered.
Oogle, I don't agree that this has SO been done before. Life FLight and the way they operate with commercial tendering, turnover of pilots, reputation of the ED etc has been done before.
The company's sudden and abrupt demise has not.
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Metropolitan Ambulance service, as it did before and as it will now, has adequate and sufficient resources to cover NETS retrievals. They have N3's, 412's, Kingairs, dedicated NETS vehicles,taxi's etc all at their disposal.
...and I'm sure Mr Eacott will be more than happy to sweep up the crumbs.
...and I'm sure Mr Eacott will be more than happy to sweep up the crumbs.
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overwait ...
I did'nt say lives would be in danger.... nor will they be allowed to be!
If you know anything about NETS in Melbourne you would realise that the Vic Pol don't do NETS and in fact the service doesn't like to use the N3 a/c due to the NOISE !!! (it DOES upset the babies!) no airconditioning etc etc etc ....also VIC POL have been known to knock back requests for air support from their own Search and Rescue Squad ... how reliable is that!
Yes the King Airs get used where there is an airfield handy or at the further out ranges from Melb.
412s from Bendigo and or Latrobe Valley are too far away to get to Melb, pick up equipment and NETS team then get to where needed ... So....
LifeFlight could get the NETS team airborne from Royal Childrens pad 15min after a callout! ... and if the Govt. had provided adequate funding to crew for 24 hrs it could have been done as well!!
What is your REAL Beef with them?
I did'nt say lives would be in danger.... nor will they be allowed to be!
If you know anything about NETS in Melbourne you would realise that the Vic Pol don't do NETS and in fact the service doesn't like to use the N3 a/c due to the NOISE !!! (it DOES upset the babies!) no airconditioning etc etc etc ....also VIC POL have been known to knock back requests for air support from their own Search and Rescue Squad ... how reliable is that!
Yes the King Airs get used where there is an airfield handy or at the further out ranges from Melb.
412s from Bendigo and or Latrobe Valley are too far away to get to Melb, pick up equipment and NETS team then get to where needed ... So....
LifeFlight could get the NETS team airborne from Royal Childrens pad 15min after a callout! ... and if the Govt. had provided adequate funding to crew for 24 hrs it could have been done as well!!
What is your REAL Beef with them?
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Spinwing...I know enough about NETS and the players invloved, otherwise I wouldn't be wasting my time posting. The N3's have been checked in the last week to see if they can carry the cot...they can. All helicopters are noisy and cramped aren't they?
The N3 may not be around all the time when NETS need them...Neither is the BK after 5pm.
Whilst it may not be the best option...it CAN be done.
I agree that the 15 minutes turnout was perhaps the best thing about both their and the RCH locality.
The contract was NEVER going to be 24 hour...plain and simple. The contract was won based on 50 odd hours of flying or 35 jobs a year...That's it...This was quite succint in the tender document. Although it was not mentioned specifically in the tender, the document was written around a "charity"...how else could you provide and maintain a 2 crew, IFR M/E helicopter for 10 hours a day...for a grand total of 50 hours of flying per year? The commercial big boys couldn't have sustained something like this...why would they bother? Corporate support was the only way to do it.
This corporate support doesn't exist now...hence the predicament of L/F.
My beef....not trying to hide it here: don't like the ED. Before you go on about whether I have met him, seen the facilities, fly EMS etc....yes...done all those things....
I would love to see the service remain, as like Aussie mate has alluded to in previous posts on other topics, creating jobs in OZ is a good thing. Sack the ED, appoint a new board, get a sponsor and get on with it.
But if it is going to call itself a charity, act like one.
The N3 may not be around all the time when NETS need them...Neither is the BK after 5pm.
Whilst it may not be the best option...it CAN be done.
I agree that the 15 minutes turnout was perhaps the best thing about both their and the RCH locality.
The contract was NEVER going to be 24 hour...plain and simple. The contract was won based on 50 odd hours of flying or 35 jobs a year...That's it...This was quite succint in the tender document. Although it was not mentioned specifically in the tender, the document was written around a "charity"...how else could you provide and maintain a 2 crew, IFR M/E helicopter for 10 hours a day...for a grand total of 50 hours of flying per year? The commercial big boys couldn't have sustained something like this...why would they bother? Corporate support was the only way to do it.
This corporate support doesn't exist now...hence the predicament of L/F.
My beef....not trying to hide it here: don't like the ED. Before you go on about whether I have met him, seen the facilities, fly EMS etc....yes...done all those things....
I would love to see the service remain, as like Aussie mate has alluded to in previous posts on other topics, creating jobs in OZ is a good thing. Sack the ED, appoint a new board, get a sponsor and get on with it.
But if it is going to call itself a charity, act like one.
Maybe an auction will replenish their roots
With BM's and Ray Bans and Armani suits
There's a few lines there that you can read between
Go see the ED and you'll know what I mean
It's a charity yeah so what is the racket
Some for the kids, some for the pay packet
Don't greed with the cream and play by the rules
Get an engineer who likes using his tools
I'll leave it there then I'll stay at a touch
I know a little but really not much
If there's truth in the rumour that it could all fail
There'll be bloody nice BK's in Melbourne for sale
With BM's and Ray Bans and Armani suits
There's a few lines there that you can read between
Go see the ED and you'll know what I mean
It's a charity yeah so what is the racket
Some for the kids, some for the pay packet
Don't greed with the cream and play by the rules
Get an engineer who likes using his tools
I'll leave it there then I'll stay at a touch
I know a little but really not much
If there's truth in the rumour that it could all fail
There'll be bloody nice BK's in Melbourne for sale
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Overwait...
Well done .. according to my sources, you are correct the N3 were checked out last week and yes they COULD carry the Neonate Cot.... providing all of the paramedic equipment currently carried for ambulance tasks was removed.
With time required to remove/re-install that necessary Ambulance mission equipment, AND a NETS mission requiring an average of 4Hrs of dedicated time ...I put it to you would NOT be the best way to serve Melbourne with either type of service!
The Bk is available for service after 5PM ...albeit by prior arrangement (due to crewing requirements).
The contract for a 24 Hr service was subject to need and funding be made available ... It is an IFR service NOT restricted to daylight hours!!!
I understand the corporate support does STILL exist but is finite and thus needs topping up from other sources.
It still is a not for profit organisation!
I also know about the "players" here in Melbourne ... on ALL sides!
Cheers
Well done .. according to my sources, you are correct the N3 were checked out last week and yes they COULD carry the Neonate Cot.... providing all of the paramedic equipment currently carried for ambulance tasks was removed.
With time required to remove/re-install that necessary Ambulance mission equipment, AND a NETS mission requiring an average of 4Hrs of dedicated time ...I put it to you would NOT be the best way to serve Melbourne with either type of service!
The Bk is available for service after 5PM ...albeit by prior arrangement (due to crewing requirements).
The contract for a 24 Hr service was subject to need and funding be made available ... It is an IFR service NOT restricted to daylight hours!!!
I understand the corporate support does STILL exist but is finite and thus needs topping up from other sources.
It still is a not for profit organisation!
I also know about the "players" here in Melbourne ... on ALL sides!
Cheers
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I have been reliably informed that the supplemental corporate sponsorship for LifeFlight has been secured and thus there is no longer any threat to the NETS helicopter transport service in Melbourne.
This thread can now go awaaaaay!!!!!!
Cheers
This thread can now go awaaaaay!!!!!!
Cheers